No need to shout, as Paul Himself could give you his own interpretation of Galatians 3:13, inspired byt he Holy Spirit, and you would still resist that.
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Atonement
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With you there is a need to shout.
POST THE VERSE AND PUT IN BOLD WHERE PAUL SAYS GOD CURSED JESUS.
POST THE VERSE AND PUT IN BOLD WHERE DEUT. SAYS GOD CURSED HIS HOLY ONE.
POST THE VERSE AND PUT IN BOLD WHERE ISAIAH SAYS JESUS WAS STRICKEN BY GOD.
Already have, so has martin and Biblist, and you just refuse to accept it.....
What specifically was done to Christ that was so unusual that none other ever experienced?
Here is the basic difficulty.
Though there is not a single verse even suggesting God poured His wrath upon Christ, folks base a whole presentation of the crucifixion upon what is not even proven.
Why?
Because someone whom they think was smarter or someway more spiritual endorsed such a scheme.
Though there is not a single verse even suggesting God poured His wrath upon Christ, folks base a whole presentation of the crucifixion upon what is not even proven.
Why?
Because someone whom they think was smarter or someway more spiritual endorsed such a scheme.
Then I missed it. Educate us:
POST THE VERSE AND PUT IN BOLD WHERE PAUL SAYS GOD CURSED JESUS.
POST THE VERSE AND PUT IN BOLD WHERE DEUT. SAYS GOD CURSED HIS HOLY ONE.
POST THE VERSE AND PUT IN BOLD WHERE ISAIAH SAYS JESUS WAS STRICKEN BY GOD
Sometimes I get the feeling that it's like choosing a team. You just pick a side and buy what ever they are selling.
When one side has struck out and cannot field the ball, it would seem that side would realize that the game is over.
Suffered the wrath of God as taking on the sin debt obligation owed to God on behalf of his people!
Too bad your side does not heed this sound advice!
And you have Scripture to support such a contention?
1) show by Scripture proof Christ’s suffering was “the wrath of God.”
2) show by Scripture proof sin was a “debt obligation owed to God.”
3) show by Scripture proof that people owed God a debt.
2) show by Scripture proof sin was a “debt obligation owed to God.”
3) show by Scripture proof that people owed God a debt.
If you cannot prove by Scripture that which you so fervently desire to state as true, then surely such must be held as untrue.
According to the word of God, what is the penalty for sin?
and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. Isa 53:6
and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.James 1:15
how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 1 Cor 1:3
And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. 1 Cor 15:17,18
Would regeneration from death, cleanse the unclean?
I don’t recall the Scriptures presenting that thinking.
Allow me to restate your presentation
Christ shed His blood for sin.
He laid down His life to take it up again.
Now you are catching on my friend!
And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. 1 Cor 15:17,18
For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 1 Cor 15:21,22
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 1 Peter 3:18
Is resurrection from the dead, being made alive, quickened, some form of regeneration?
And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. Col 1:18 Brought forth from the dead.
If Christ were not the first fruit, resurrected, made alive, quickened, born from the dead, where would that leave, all, from Adam to now? Would there be any kind of regeneration for any? And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. 1 Cor 15:17,18
Would you say that the word of God would consider Joseph of Arimathaea and Nicodemus, clean or unclean, after touching the body of the dead Jesus?
Did this; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. Isa 53:6 have anything to do with this; My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? ?
I have asked and believe me, I do not know the answer but why; three days and three nights in the heart of the earth? Why three? Does it have anything to do with purity or being clean? I do not know. Maybe some of the D D's know.
Sorry. Your terms are not mine. I meant what I said.
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