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I am unsure of you conclusion.

You are correct in the drawing authority being the Father. That the unbeliever is given such an endowment upon hearing the preaching of Scriptures by the work of the Holy Spirit as reflected in Romans, which the Lord also stated in this expanded quote of John 6:

43Jesus answered and said to them, “Do not grumble among yourselves. 44“No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day. 45“It is written in the prophets, ‘AND THEY SHALL ALL BE TAUGHT OF GOD.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me. 46“Not that anyone has seen the Father, except the One who is from God; He has seen the Father. 47“Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life. 48“I am the bread of life. 49“Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. 50“This is the bread which comes down out of heaven, so that one may eat of it and not die. 51“I am the living bread that came down out of heaven; if anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread also which I will give for the life of the world is My flesh.”​

You also correctly point that such is from an external source (the preaching of the gospel).

Therefore, if the authority is that direct purposed choice of who will be drawn, and such drawing is done by the Holy Spirit using the preaching of the Scriptures (for in them is found life and light) have you now embraced a more Calvinistic thinking?

Are you in agreement that although one may hear (intellectually) what others hear that person will not rightly respond to the gospel because as Christ stated (and you quoted) the Father has not given (endowed, granted) that ability?

 

That doesn’t seem consistent with verse 44.

 

44“No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.

No one comes that is not drawn by the father.

All drawn by the father will be raised by Christ.

There is no exclusionary word sandwiched between the two phrases

You seem to insert what is not evidenced and not even hinted.

 

This is direct rebellion against revealed truth.

 

what is not in the passage?

The fact that no one comes unless the Father draws them?
The Father sent the Son?
The fact that all who the Father draws will be lifted up?

Perhaps you could point out what is not in the passage.

 

Yeah, it's not like it's a 'baptism for the dead' kind of passage. It's ultra plain.

 

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father, who hath sent me, draw him. And I will raise him up in the last day.
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So the Scripture according to you does not say that no person can come unless the Father draws them?

And you are stating that the Son whom the Father sent does not raise up those that the Father draws on the last day?

Perhaps in your scheme you see an intermediate step of some human volition?

If you do, then what word is an indication of such a human ability?

 

Classic Mitch. You simply can’t stand on your own. You post lots of articles but usually fall back to this defensive posturing. This is a discussion forum. Don’t post stuff if you can’t be bothered to participate. Especially when things start to go wrong for you.

 

I think the objection is the idea that all persons drawn by God will come to Christ.

Verse does not say "all will come to Christ if drawn", it says "no one can come to Christ unless drawn".

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Perhaps could attempt to find some conditional aspect of this clear statement by Christ.

However, The Father draws and there is no conditional statement as to human responsibility found.

Christ will not neglect a single one drawn but the results will be resurrection, and again there is no conditional statement.

Those who seem to desire some human conditional statement cannot find it in this verse and must look elsewhere.

 

You are wrong.

No man can come to me, except the Father, who hath sent me, draw him.

The context is not "who comes" but NO ONE CAN COME outside of the direct and purposed work of the Father to draw that person.



That you seem to miss this is quite puzzling.