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This is a good post. You are interacting well with figures of speech. I don't have time to deal more with this post, but I appreciate your attitude. But I will say that Rev. 20 is quite different from your Churchill quote in that (1) 1000 is mentioned 6 times, with explanations about what will occur in the 1000 years. Figures of speech are not repetitious like that. It certainly reads like John was referring to a literal period of time. (2) Your view that since other uses of 1000 are figurative, then all of them must be, is not logical.

Maybe we can do a thread on 1000 all by itself, because I'm out of here due to Icon's silly shenanagins.

 

I dare you--I defy you--to name one single post in which I have personally attacked you or anyone else on this thread. (Chilton, the fake scholar, is not on the BB--and by the way, I never personally attacked him on those other threads, though "fake scholar" might be construed as an attack--though I consider it to be merely descriptive.)

 

I long ago embraced the Doctrines of Grace (modified limit) and am also premillennial.

The definition JofJ gave as Paul uses “dispensation” is accurate.

The stewardship CAN also be represented IN time, but dispensation is not typically used in Scriptures related to time - but is “administration,” a “special responsibility,” “commission.” (Ephesians 3, Colossians 1)

Personally, I typically use “dispensation” outside of the Greek definition, so it would include aspects relating to a period of time.

As a premillennial thinking believer, I do not work from a perspective of Darby.

I will make these observations specifically about him.

I dare post that few if any B.B. contributors have actually read much of that man’s truly exhaustive writings to know first hand just what he taught. I had not, but have taken time to attempt to find him in error.

The peer review of his work, and the scholarly examination of what he wrote was thoroughly examined and found to not conflict with Scriptures. The conflicts were when he would confront some preconceived views, or some long standing traditional view. But not the Scriptures.

Darby was not Heretical, and such a claim is made (imo) by the unlearned out of parroting and not out of scholarship.

I am premillennial not because of Darby, but because such remains the clearest most valid way of holding consistency throughout the Scriptures.

 

Spurgeon's testimony of the blinders being removed:

"I have had an increase of faith in one or two respects within the last few months. I could not, for a long time, see anything like the Millennium in the Scriptures. I could not much rejoice in the second coming of Christ, though I did believe it. But gradually my faith began to open to that subject and I find it now a part of my meat and drink, to be looking for, as well as hastening unto, the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ!"

 

The 1000 years would still indicate a literal passage of time where Jesus was reigning on this earth though...

 

Not one single one of those posts are insulting, or calling people names, or attacking anyone's character. They are either disagreements or what I consider to be valid criticisms. If you can't take that, you'd better get off the Internet.

And if you think it is an insult or personal to disagree with you, I truly feel sorry for you. If that is you (I don't say it is), you are a very proud individual who thinks you are always right. If it is not you, you had better rethink this post.

I dare you--I defy you--to submit any one of those posts which you say are personal attacks to the moderators for judgment as to whether they are personal attacks. If any one of them are judged to be personal attacks, I will immediately apologize. But I will not apologize for disagreeing with you, for saying you are mistaken, for saying your definition is wrong, or anything of that sort.

 

I have always seen the A mil position as not giving to us the Messianic Age as foretold by the OT prophets and the NT Apostles, as Jesus would not really be reigning as in His perfect will getting done in that viewpoint. When has the earth exer experienced the reborn Paradise foretold by the prophets under Messiah?

 

Well said.

 

The interesting thing here is that BOTH Historical premil and Dispy would affirm this, and many reformed have been premil, not all just amil!

 

'Paradise' is either the reigning of the saints in heaven in the present dispensation (Luke 23:43; Revelation 20:4) or that time when the New Jerusalem descends from heaven and we dwell forever in the new heavens and new earth, where 'the dwelling-place of God is with men and He will live with them' (Revelation 21:1-5).

 

Why?

Paradise was that “holding place” of OT believers seen in the parable of the rich man and Lazarus. It was sometimes called Abraham’s bosom.

The song about being stoned in paradise is “Rock My Soul in the Bosom of Abraham.”

Maybe it was the rock music?

Maybe the availability of a certain chair design?

 

The first definition is either from a covenant theologian or a progressive dispensationalist (and that system is a compromise with covenant theology). Both of those hold to two or three dispensations, sometimes up to five. Your second definition is by a regular or revised dispensationalist.

Both definitions are correct in that they do not call a dispensation "a period of time" or "an age." (Cf my lexicon definition of the Greek word oikonomia.)

The great majority of dispensationalists hold to seven, as taught by Charles Ryrie in his landmark textbook, Dispensationalism. I follow Ryrie, a revised dispensationalist.

 

Of course they are. But it's called debating--not attacking. I have not attacked you or anyone else personally.

So you think I am not in the "real world"? I spent 33 years in the "real world" of other countries; I go on visitation every week, and have many "real world" friends in our church.

As for "real world" people not doing figures of speech, of course they do, all the time: "sick as a dog" (simile); "raining cats and dogs" (idiom); "He's a disaster" (metaphor); "I told you a thousand times" (hyperbole), etc.

I'm a full time Bible college (and seminary) prof. That means that I'm a professional at theology. If an amateur boxer gets in the ring with a pro, he should expect to get a few bruises. I don't apologize for what I am and who I am, or for my debating style. I teach. It's what I do, and what God made me for.

Apology accepted.

 

Why not?

I take the 'bosom of Abraham' to be the same as the 'Paradise' of Luke 23:43. Both Lazarus and the penitent thief went there at once after death. I don't see why it is the special preserve of OT saints. It is the place where saints dwell in glory until the Last day when they receive their resurrection bodies and dwell in the NH & NE.

 

The problem is that, no amount of professionalism can ever can automatically make what anyone believes to be correct. There are 1000s of books on the subject by many "professionals" all having different views.
I do not think you being a "pro" is leaving any one bruises.
Its a pro boxer getting in the ring with amateurs with his hands bound.
Even the person that supported you the most on here, doesn't agree with you 100%. So its not so easy.

 

I believe OT prophecies concerning Israel in the OT are fulfilled by the Church (the remnant of Israel) in the NT, and Jesus is On the throne now ruling like he said he was going to. He came the first time to set up the kingdom, it was not conditional, he did as he was going to do. Israel's rejection did not postpone the the kingdom, it expanded it through the gentiles.

By definition what am I?

And please don't say wrong

 

Except that there is a period of time where Jesus rules here on earth, as all earth worships Him, and then turned over to God the father in the Eternal State!