If a Calvinist Preached on the Gospel from your Pulpit

I see we have yet another copy and paste thread, with post after post bashing non-Cals.

Lets take an excursion into truth and see what we find:

1) Justification by faith could mean a boat load of differing doctrines. It is vague to the point of meaninglessness. We are sinners, and therefore unjust in our fallen state, from conception. We were made sinners. Our sinful state is separated from God. In order for a right relationship with God to be established our sin burden (what God holds against us due to our sinful condition) must be removed by the circumcision of Christ. We must undergo the washing of regeneration and be reborn as a new creation. This justification, making us just as if we had not been a sinner, occurs when God and God alone transfers us into Christ. And He chooses to do this when He credits our "faith in the truth" as righteousness. Faith is not works.

2) Sovereignty of God is a buzz phrase with a Calvinist meaning, but also with a very different biblical meaning which states God causes or allows whatsoever comes to pass. Therefore God is not the author of sin.

3) God's attributes (just, loving, good, all powerful, all knowing, present everywhere, etc) are unchanging and unchangeable (immutable) but He does respond according to His conditional covenants, such as if we repent, He will relent.

4) Christ died for all mankind, providing the means of salvation (propitiation) for the whole world. However, only those God chooses through faith in the truth receive the benefit of being reconciled to God.

5) Once a person is actually saved (having been given to (transferred into) Christ, he or she shall never be cast out, thus being saved and indwelt forever.

 

I used to call that 4 point Calvinism - the guy that only rejects perseverance of the saints.... but now apparently they call that 2 point Calvinism.

May we have the answer to this question?

 

I have no problem presenting 2 Corinthians 5.

11Therefore, knowing the fear of the Lord, we persuade men, but we are made manifest to God; and I hope that we are made manifest also in your consciences. 12We are not again commending ourselves to you but are giving you an occasion to be proud of us, so that you will have an answer for those who take pride in appearance and not in heart. 13For if we are beside ourselves, it is for God; if we are of sound mind, it is for you. 14For the love of Christ controls us, having concluded this, that one died for all, therefore all died; 15and He died for all, so that they who live might no longer live for themselves, but for Him who died and rose again on their behalf.
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Did not Paul hear Felix state, "Paul, you have almost persuaded me..."

Sad to say that often the persuasion of the intellect is not the change necessary for salvation. No matter how much we may beg, it is still God who is responsible to both initiate and to complete salvation.

What is the message that the non-cal may bring? Perhaps the same.

 

You sir put quotation marks around the statement - please identify the individual you are quoting.

HankD

 

There are MANY 4 point Calvinists in the that are Baptists.

As myself, we desire a better statement of the limit of atonement not being upon the blood but upon the belief.

There is not a Calvinist that is not OSAS.

There is not a Calvinist that does not hold to election and irresistible grace thinking.

There is not a true Calvinist that does not hold to total depravity.

I don't know how one could be a one or two point calvinist.

What type of confusion that must bring.

 

I think I will just have to ignore you for a while.

It is unfortunate that you blend truth into error and call it good and faithful to the Scriptures.

4The LORD has made everything for its own purpose,
Even the wicked for the day of evil.

 

What is your point agedman?

HankD (a 0 point Calvinist)

 

Agreed


HankD

 

Though I have a quarrel with calvinism I personally would not have a problem with a "calvinist" preaching the gospel from the pulpit of my local church.

Of course the pastor and the deacon board would be involved with that decision.

Another consideration would be the exact meaning of "calvinist" as it can be confusing at times.


HankD

 

Even adherence to the 5 points is not totally definitive

e.g. infralapsaians or supralapsarians?

Some folks in my local church would have a big difficulty with double predestination.

https://www.christianforums.com/thr...nfralapsarianism-what-are-you-and-why.710325/

HankD

 

"should not" true, but some would ask - if God does both the electing and the reprobating why preach the gospel in the first place?

Personally I believe it is redeemed mankind's responsibility to preach the gospel and not to attempt to define and distill into a systematic theology every jot and tittle of "soteriology" (so called).

HankD

 

I would expect to hear what I hear daily from John McArthur. 95% of his preaching would not even alert non cal Baptists that he is a Calvinist.

 

only that all non-cal can disagree with osas all they desire, but Calvinists cannot.

 

I agree and it would not be a problem for me.

However being a Sunday school teacher for several decades I know there would be trouble among the troops in "regular" Baptist church pulpits for someone who preaches and supports double predestination.

The O/P is aimed at "your pulpit".

Even if the view was not verbalized in the preaching of the gospel there would be those who would not be ease unless a full disclosure be made beforehand by said pulpit gospeleer.

HankD

 

And why is that important to you aged one?

HankD