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Is Christianity Accessible to All People?

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by thatbrian, Feb 2, 2018.

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  1. The Archangel

    The Archangel Well-Known Member

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    I apologize that I do not have time to write a more detailed response. However, I could not let this pass without saving there is grave theological error here.

    Because I am way short on time, I'll just ask IF this is the case, whey did The Apostle Paul preach the Gospel to Jews? If you are correct, there should have been no need for him to do so. Paul clearly sees no other way of salvation for the Jew outside of Christ and Christianity itself.

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    Was Elijah Jewish? Was he saved? Did everyone prior to Jesus go to hell?
     
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    Every Old Testament Prophet Preached Christ.

    Act 10:43 To him (Christ) give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
     
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    That isn’t the point at the moment. If you’re correct, why did Paul preach Christ to the Jews? Cross that hurdle first.

    The Archangel


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    They preached the promise of the coming Messiah. Hebrews 11 tells us that it is faith that saves. Christians have faith in Christ, Jews obeyed the Law faithfully in anticipation of the coming Messiah (Christ). However, prior to Abraham, what prophets preached Christ (messiah)? They had faith in God...who is Christ.
     
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    Because many Jews turned to the letter of the law and not the spirit. They no longer believed in faith. The believed in works and legalism. Hebrews 11 explains this.
     
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    It's great when the first answer is the correct answer.
     
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    So, you are asserting that there are people who will be saved by their obedience to the law. Okay, I would wonder first why Christ had to die if that were the case. Secondly, I wonder where these people are who have obeyed God Law, understanding that to disobey it in one part is to disobey it all.
     
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    God has always saved on the basis of the death of Christ as atoner for sins of the saved, and He always was savinf by Grace alone thru faith alone...
    Jews have no OT Covenant left between them and God since time of Christ, so any saved jew must come thru Jesus as their messiah, just as we gentile do!
     
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    Through the promise of a Messiah to come. That promise was given to the Jews.
     
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    That Promise was Given to Adam and Eve --Genesis 3:15
     
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    I wonder why paul labored so much in both Romans and Galatians than to show to us that none can be justified by keeping the law?
     
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    No. They are saved because they obeyed the Law with faith in the coming Messiah (Christ). Key emphasis in "faith in coming Messiah". Thus, it is not necessary for me to respond to the comment below. V


     
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    Great! So how was the elect saved before that promise was given to Abraham? Enoch? Noah? Ect...?
     
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    More than given "to" them it was realized, "through" them.
     
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    The promise of a Messiah was given immediately after the Fall. Gen. 3:15.

    That's gets us far off track of the OP, though. Do you have answers that you would like to share?
     
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    So, now you are saying that salvation comes by faith and works. Okay, but are you a Protestant or a Roman Catholic? I don't like debating Roman Catholics.

    You are also asserting that people who have not heard the gospel or the name of Jesus have faith in Him, so I wonder why it is that Jesus gave the Great Commission to His disciples.
     
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    I'm not normally one to police others spelling, but...

    Facetious.
     
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    You're that guy! (good thing I didn't write: Your that guy)
     
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    1 And when we were escaped, then we knew that the island was called Melita.
    2 And the barbarians showed us no common kindness; for they kindled a fire, and received us all, because of the present rain, and because of the cold.
    10 who also honored us with many honors; and when we sailed, they put on board such things as we needed. Acts 28
     
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