Why Would SDA Members Hang Out on BB?

worship Him who made the heaven and the earth and sea and springs of waters.” Rev 14:7
For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them Ex 20:11
God, who made the heaven and the earth and the sea and all that is in them. Acts 14:15

ahhh -- we can all see it now -- those texts don't appear to have any connection at all just as you have imagined for us. ...

oh no wait!!

I think you just "undid" your own imaginative post.

.. thanks.

 

worship Him who made the heaven and the earth and sea and springs of waters.” Rev 14:7
For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them Ex 20:11
God, who made the heaven and the earth and the sea and all that is in them. Acts 14:15

It appears somebody has a Bible with more "Ellen White" quotes than mine!!

In my Bible all those texts come from either Luke or John.

credit where credit is due for all those specific cases where I happen to differ with Steaver he DOES have the ability to have a conversation that is not "Ellen White"!

thanks for reminding us.

 

Really ?? You see Bible texts and instantly your response is of the form "How much time do you have? Ellen White ..."

Says it all.

 

In what calendar is the Sabbath? Hebrew or Julian?

 

I only find proselytizing only necessary if someone's salvation is in question. Otherwise, it's sheep stealing in my opinion. Is someone's salvation in question because they are not SDA?

 

Goats stealing sheep? They will try (Matthew 24:24).

 

Is a SDA at risk for losing their salvation? For the Calvinists, are SDA not yet saved?

 

The SDA proclaims a false gospel (for reasons elucidated many times in the recent various SDA threads). A false gospel cannot save and is condemned in scripture (Galatians 1:8-9). Thankfully, not every SDA church is as steeped in the movements heretical doctrines as others. Some proclaim the words of the gospel, even if they do so unwittingly. Praise God for those who come to Christ and leave the SDA and its lies.

As far as the Calvinist take on the SDA, that is irrelevant. There are plenty of non-Calvinists on this board who recognize the errors of the SDA.

 

Do SDA believe in Jesus and accept Him as Lord and Savior. Do they submit the His lordship?

 

Scripture [KJB] says:

John 17:17 KJB - Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

John 17:19 KJB - And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
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For Error cannot ever sanctify.

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Jesus Himself, also went about correcting error and misunderstanding, and I follow after Him.

Matthew 22:29 KJB - Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.

Mark 12:24 KJB - And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?

Mark 12:27 KJB - "... ye therefore do greatly err."
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Jesus is very concerned about right answers:

Luke 7:43 KJB - Simon answered and said, I suppose that he, to whom he forgave most. And he said unto him, Thou hast rightly judged.

Luke 10:26-28 KJB - [26] He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? [27] And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. [28] And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

Luke 20:21 KJB - And they asked him, saying, Master, we know that thou sayest and teachest rightly, neither acceptest thou the person of any, but teachest the way of God truly:

2 Timothy 2:15 KJB - Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.​

Since error cannot ever sanctify, it is incumbent upon us to be as correct as is possible with the light one has been given in stewardship. Therefore, as a faithful brother, I am always my brother's/sister's keeper [Leviticus 19:17-18, and I am not to suffer sin, 1 John 3:4 KJB, upon them, but to rebuke in love, Revelation 3:19 KJB, as did Jesus], to help those in error to come to the truth, from where ever they are in error, from little to great.

Acts 18:24 KJB - And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus.

Acts 18:25 KJB - This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.

Acts 18:26 KJB - And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.
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Baptists, are like this man Apollos [name of the Sun god, Baptists worship on sunday, a counterfiet Lord's day]. They are eloquent, mighty in scriptures, instructed in the way of the Lord in many things, knowing about baptism, and they teach in the congregations, but there is something they need to know more "perfectly" in regards the "way":

Psalms 77:13 KJB - Thy way, O God, is in the sanctuary: who is so great a God as our God?

John 14:6 KJB - Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
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It is not [presently] their salvation that is being questioned, but their doctrine, belief system, which carries many doctrines of Romanism, specifically from the council of Trent, a Jesuit council. They also have misunderstandings about the character of God, because they teach such doctrines, eternally burning torment for the wicked, immortal soul/spirit theology, immediate reward upon death, OSAS [Iresistible grace, etc, depending on the Baptist], and some have mistaken notions in regards creation, when the angels were created, mistaken notions about the other unfallen worlds and the beings there upon, mistaken notions in regards Michael, mistaken notions in regards what happened at Calvary in regards the ministry of Jesus Christ, mistaken notions in regards the Sanctuary in Heaven and the ministry going on there since Calvary, mistaken notions in regards the prophecies of Daniel in the 70 Weeks, and the 2,300 of Daniel 8:13,14,26, mistaken notions in regards the "Beast" and its "mark" [most think its some sort of microchip, which is greivous error, and can be deadly to them], mistaken notions in regards the Commandments of God and how it is not against grace, mistaken notions in regards the 4th Commandment, the 7th day the Sabbath of the Lord thy God, even Jesus Christ, the Lord of the Sabbath, etc.

There is only one fold and one Shepherd. All true sheep belong to Jesus Christ, and He is no thief, no matter what anyone says, and should He send undershepherds to gather them into a single place, He desiring to corral the scattered in one place, who will call Him a robber of that which is His own, created, bought and paid for by His own blood?

 

Read my previous post. It is self-explanatory.

The only way anyone can submit to Christ is by being in Christ.

 

Ok...I am just going to come out and say it. I get sick and tired of every denomination telling the other that cthey are going to he'll because the follow a false gospel" when they really mean "you're going to he'll because you don't agree with me". So tell me specifically what is your definition of the Gospel and what theological differences do SDA have with your version of the Gospel that is dooming them to he'll.

Secondly, aren't you reformed? According to reformed theology, the Gospel only applies to the elect (limited atonement). So who cares if they are following a "false gospel"? Or more specifically, why would you care if they follow a false gospel? If they aren't elect, it doesn't matter in the end. If they are elect, assuming you have already explained the "true gospel", where is God's "irresistible grace"?

The bottom line is this, when we want to know what is truly necessary to be saved, we look to the Gospel which is found in "the Gospels" (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John) particularly somewhere in red font. I cannot accept for a single second that God would allow His Son to die on the cross without having said and done everything necessary to be saved. Furthermore, when you want to look at what is "minimally" necessary to be saved, don't look at Jesus on the Cross. Look at the thief on the cross! He wasn't baptized, never received communion, or even honored the Sabbath (for you SDAs). But what did he do, he confessed his sin (Luke 23:41) and submitted to the Lordship of Jesus (Luke 23:41). So tell me this, how has SDA members done less than the thief on the cross?

 

So how do we know that SDA is true? Based on your explanation, you are suggesting that SDA is the only ones delivering truth, and in your case, truth that saves. I will be honest, any time anyone tells me that they are the only ones who got it right, I run! That includes Calvinists too btw.

 

I never said that an individual in the SDA cannot come to faith in Christ. I said the SDA does not preach the gospel. Those reasons have been given multiple times in the various SDA threads. I also said that not every SDA church is as steeped in error as others. Ergo, some individuals may hear the words of the gospel and come to faith in Christ. Praise God for that! That in no way legitimizes the false teachings of the SDA movement.

Are you naturally obtuse or do you work hard at it? It is hard to tell at times. God calls His elect out of every conceivable circumstance and every type of religion. He calls Catholics, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Muslims, Buddhists, Atheists, Druids, Wiccans et. al. When God calls them in time, they respond to the gospel in repentance and faith. Hopefully, they are delivered out of any false teaching they may be exposed to.

Your seminary is failing you miserably. The gospel is not contained just to the first four books of the New Testament. The gospel was promised in the Old Covenant and revealed in the New. It is displayed in types and shadows in the Old Testament and it is all over every book of the New Testament. You may be looking for what is "minimally" necessary to be saved, but that is an insult to the life-changing nature of the gospel. Those who come to Christ in faith belong to Him completely. The Holy Spirit immediately begins His work in conforming the new believer into the image of the Son (Romans 8:29; Philippians 1:6).

I am not going to tell you anything other than what you have already heard. You are a seminary student, right? Act like one. Come up with your conclusions. You said (previously) that you are here to learn more about Baptists. You go to a Baptist seminary! Have you not taken a church history course? Does a serious seminary student need a message board for learning? Your seminary must not require much reading. How well are they equipping you for ministry? I think you are being cheated.

Anway, there is really nothing more I can contribute to our discussions. I will leave you in the capable hands of those who are endued with more patience and empathy.

 

Please read one more time what was stated. Then:

1 Timothy 3:15 KJB - But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.​

Where is this house, which is the church of the living God, being the pillar and ground of truth?

There are a thousand broken glass shards, but one diamond. It is not boastful to simply relate what scripture teaches.

Revelation 12:17 KJB - And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
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Where are these people that the dragon is specifically "wroth" with, who are the "remnant", that "keep the commandments of God" [that's the Ten Commandments], and have the "testimony of Jesus Christ", which is the "spirit of Prophecy" [Revelation 19:10 KJB]

Where is this group that prophesies from the portion of the [previously sealed; Daniel 12:9, now open, Revelation 10:2 KJB] book of Daniel that was sealed until the time, having experienced a bitter experience, but were to prophesy again after it?:

Revelation 10:2 KJB - And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth,

Revelation 10:10 KJB - And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.

Revelation 10:11 KJB - And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.
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What one "body" of people have the gift of prophecy manifested in it:

Ephesians 4:11 KJB - And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

Ephesians 4:12 KJB - For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

Ephesians 4:13 KJB - Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Ephesians 4:14 KJB - That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

Ephesians 4:15 KJB - But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

Ephesians 4:16 KJB - From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
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What single "body" is warning the whole world, and is of all nations, proclaiming the 4th Commandment, to return to the worship of the True Creator God, the LORD of the Holy 7th day the Sabbath:

Revelation 14:6 KJB - And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people

Revelation 14:7 KJB - Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.​

What "body" is preaching against the Great Whore of Romanism, and warning of her Daughters of Revelation 17 KJB?

What "body" of people are seen in existence after the 1,260, 1,290, 1,335 and 2,300 of Daniel?

What "body" shows the way of salvation/redemption through the sanctuary:

Psalms 77:13 KJB - Thy way, O God, is in the sanctuary: who is so great a God as our God?

John 14:6 KJB - Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
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Who teaches that Jesus Christ after His crucifixion, death, burial and resurrection and ascension began His High Priestly Ministry at Pentecost, to officiate the true Sacrifice which He gave of Himself, having to fulfill the remaining Feasts, from Pentecost to Tabernacles?

Hebrews 8:1 KJB - Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;

Hebrews 8:2 KJB - A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

Hebrews 8:5 KJB - Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.​

Where is the "body" that obeys the command of Christ to wash one another's feet at the Lord's supper?

John 13:14 KJB - If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet.

John 13:15 KJB - For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.

John 13:16 KJB - Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.

John 13:17 KJB - If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them.​

Look for the identifying marks, and many more could be given, and you will find the "one fold". After that there is no where to run to, except into the dens of the earth that the rocks may fall upon them, for they will have been running since Genesis.

 

First of all - no Christian should join any denomination with the idea "hey -- we are wrong". In fact the goal should be to use the Protestant method of 'Sola scriptura testing" and find the one that you believe most closely teaches Bible doctrine. .This should be the rule that all Christians follow no matter what their denomination.

Second - the test of the SDA denomination is no different that the test of any other one... sola scriptura testing of all doctrine and practice.

Given the fact that differences in doctrine do exist -- even between various Baptist groups -- it is totally impossible that ALL denominations can be correct.

IT is possible that ALL are wrong - but it is doubtful that all are EQUALLY wrong. That is a certainty.

It is also possible that at most ONE is correct on all of its doctrines. That is one of the possible scenarios.

Christ said in John 4 "Salvation is of the Jews" when debating religion with a Samaritan woman. so there is a precedent for "one" being correct in doctrine. Though in their case they had been around for enough centuries that they were weighed down with junk-tradition