Limited Atonement: Let's set the record straight.

I'm the last person I'm Baptist board that would make any such post as I don't believe Free Will exists.

 

LOL, The irony of that post could probably give a philosopher a good laugh.

 

Listen again....you are ot getting what he is saying

It might because the idea or the concept of free will only exist in carnal philosophy and Hollywood movies and of course in faulty defective theology

 

Rejecting Christ is a Sin, But drinking water does not equate to rejecting Christ.

Its by his terms not yours. Even his betrayal came with a kiss.

John 14
15“If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.


The love of God and neighbor intrinsically call for a mercy to rejectors, and those who oppose mercy to rejectors are merely GREATER REJECTORS.



The GOOD SAMARITAN is called the GOOD SAMARITAN because he is not the GOOD CHRISTIAN.

And that is the FIRST card Jesus plays as an example of AGAPE, a love of GOD and LOVE of NEIGHBOR,

He could have said well let me tell you about myself, But go figure Jesus is not megalomaniac.

You guys literally would have to preach a DAMNED SAMARITAN.

 

People leave churches because they hate the biblical God and His word.
Unsaved men cannot understand the truth....so they go where there is entertainment instead

 

Yes....exactly....scripture says we are self willed....we make choices....reformed persons speak of....free moral agency....choices we are fully responsible for....but bound by our nature.
In heaven we will not be free to sin.

 

Adam had Free will, Lucifer had free will, Gabriel has free will, we have free will ... we will have free will in heaven.

Calvinism's solution is "make 'em all robots"
God's solution is the Gospel over 6000 years of time creating "compelling evidence" for free will beings to make right choices.

 

His sovereign will is to have a free will universe.
Thus

"He came to His OWN and His OWN received Him not" John 1:11
"O Jerusalem Jerusalem.. How I WANTED... but you would not" Matthew 23
"we BEG you on behalf of Christ - BE reconciled to God" 2 Cor 5

Your post in response to the texts I gave - - makes it "appear" that the language the text uses is "unaware" that the lost do not have free will and thus had no other choice.

"He came to His OWN and His OWN received Him not" John 1:11
"O Jerusalem Jerusalem.. How I WANTED... but you would not" Matthew 23
"we BEG you on behalf of Christ - BE reconciled to God" 2 Cor 5

It makes it "appear" that you consider God not being fully informed in that point and thus His inspired Word is appealing to the "choice" of those who are lost and "BEGGING" them to make a better choice -- not knowing that Calvinism has the right solution for that problem

Your "a bound self will no matter how many times" ?? God begs them?? (or posts about God begging them are quoted) ??

Are you solving your problem or digging the hole deeper?

 

Even the most devout Calvinist admits that the John 6 "drawing of God" enables all the "choice to accept the Gospel" that depravity disables. What they deny is the John 12:32 statement that all mankind are being drawn to God.

God enables the free will choice to accept the Gospel - supernaturally - and "Draws ALL mankind to Himself" enabling ALL to respond. So this is not about the lost person suddenly exercising free will and perfectly obeying the LAW of God without being born again or need of the Gospel. This is about the lost person "having the free will choice" to respond to the Holy Spirit and be born again.

I love it that we get asked to repeat the answer over and over again on the C-vs-A board.

 

My "make 'em all robots" statement was in response to the statement "In heaven we will not be free to sin" -- no sin once we get to heaven because God does not allow them to choose sin.

So not a reference to the depravity state of the lost on this side of the 2nd coming.

If God were willing to simply mind-zap-everyone-to-not-sin then that solution should have been invoked the day before Lucifer made that historic bad choice.