Walter Martin's "Kingdom of the Cults" declares Adventist are not a Cult and destroys Hoekema's book

Martin spends a portion of his time in that chapter on Seventh-day Adventists to show where Adventist teaching differs from his own - but in most cases those differences are also shared by other Christian denominations as compared to Martin. He allows for "differences".

But to your point that Martin is still not the grand pontiff -- it is not being challenged by me. I never say that I "believe something because Martin said it". But I do argue that when the details are so incredibly obvious that even non-SDAs of Martin's caliber - can see them even though he is not an Adventist by a long shot... that says something for objectivity.

 

AND I addressed that "reading the Bible" and "accepting the Bible" are a focus for me.

 

Why? Why can't I just keep quoting the actual Bible and leave it up to you to join me in "reading" and "believing"??

 

Matthew 18 comes to mind.

Romans 11 comes to mind

1 Corinthians 6 comes to mind

Hebrews 6 comes to mind.

Matthew 6 comes to mind

Ezekiel 18 comes to mind

 

Isaiah 66 says someone is going to burn in hell for eating mice... you knew that right?

Isaiah 66
“But he who kills an ox is like one who slays a man;
He who sacrifices a lamb is like the one who breaks a dog’s neck;
He who offers a grain offering is like one who offers swine’s blood;
He who burns incense is like the one who blesses an idol.
As they have chosen their own ways,
And their soul delights in their abominations,
4 So I will choose their punishments
And will bring on them what they dread.
Because I called, but no one answered;
I spoke, but they did not listen.
And they did evil in My sight
And chose that in which I did not delight.”
...
15 For behold, the Lord will come in fire
And His chariots like the whirlwind,
To render His anger with fury,
And His rebuke with flames of fire.
16 For the Lord will execute judgment by fire
And by His sword on all flesh,
And those slain by the Lord will be many.
.
17 “Those who sanctify and purify themselves to go to the gardens,
Following one in the center,
Who eat swine’s flesh, detestable things and mice,
Will come to an end altogether,” declares the Lord

John 9
41 Jesus said to them, “If you were blind, you would have no sin; but since you say, ‘We see,’ your sin remains.


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Sounds like you are giving God "just a little space" for saying something about mice eating. Did I get that right?

 

Keep dodging the "Reading the Bible" point

 

Isaiah 66 says someone is going to burn in hell for eating mice... you knew that right?

Isaiah 66
“But he who kills an ox is like one who slays a man;
He who sacrifices a lamb is like the one who breaks a dog’s neck;
He who offers a grain offering is like one who offers swine’s blood;
He who burns incense is like the one who blesses an idol.
As they have chosen their own ways,
And their soul delights in their abominations,
4 So I will choose their punishments
And will bring on them what they dread.
Because I called, but no one answered;
I spoke, but they did not listen.
And they did evil in My sight
And chose that in which I did not delight.”
...
15 For behold, the Lord will come in fire
And His chariots like the whirlwind,
To render His anger with fury,
And His rebuke with flames of fire.
16 For the Lord will execute judgment by fire
And by His sword on all flesh,
And those slain by the Lord will be many.
.
17 “Those who sanctify and purify themselves to go to the gardens,
Following one in the center,
Who eat swine’s flesh, detestable things and mice,
Will come to an end altogether,” declares the Lord

John 9
41 Jesus said to them, “If you were blind, you would have no sin; but since you say, ‘We see,’ your sin remains.


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Sounds like you are giving God "just a little space" for saying something about mice eating. Did I get that right?

There again - you seem to 'hint' That you would "allow God" to have something to say about Mice.

Most interesting.

Fascinating.

All the same -- I find reading the Bible and accepting what it says to be of utmost interest.

 

Sadly for that I post - I keep talking about 'Reading' the Bible AND "believing it" and you keep deleting every detail that has anything to do with the Bible... possible because your position "needs it".

You know that we can all see you doing that... why keep doing it as if we think "Well if Steaver won't admit he does what he is doing with every single post -- we all agree not to 'see' it"????

Here I would also point out that you never do this sort of thing in the C-vs-A discussions. "Avoid the Bible" is not even remotely a tactic that your posts use in those cases.

Were we simply "not supposed to notice"???

 

Shouldn't that include a willingness to discuss the "actual details" in the text being quoted a zillion times and ignored the same amount?

 

Well when I post actual Bible texts on this thread -- a lot of "crickets" chirping in the opposing response plus even more "creative writing" that is not the kind of friendly opposing debate I "expected" from sola-scriptura folks.

 

Quote something from SDA theology first --let's see it posted as fact vs empty accusation

BTW you argue at that point as if all of SDA theology is correct except some unnamed statement about Ellen White. I find that fascinating.

And one more thing. So far you only post old worn-out tired and hollow accusations about Adventists that were already worn and thread-bare at the time that Walter Martin wrote that this does not have enough merit to make SDAs a cult. What "exactly" then - is your point?

 

Interesting that you then "left out" the text quoted a zillion times as if all you got was "I kept saying" instead of "the Bible kept being pointed out to you" and then you did everything possible to ignore it entirely.

 

Theology about what?? Name some doctrine... quote something.