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Why I am not a Calvinist.. the ACTUAL topic of this thread

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by BobRyan, Mar 1, 2018.

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  1. Saved-By-Grace

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    Are you suggesting that no unsaved person can ever do any moral good? The freedom that Jesus speaks of is being saved from sin and its consequences, but this does not mean that we cease to sin
     
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    So they were "made free" from something they were never in bondage to? LOL!
     
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    for a sinner to be saved, is in itself FREEDOM. You say "made FREE", are you suggesting that the "saved" are FREE from sin and never sin anymore? That is IMPOSSIBLE
     
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    Yes, the New Man, the New Creation in Christ, is, as John says in his epistles, free from sin. It is the old man who sins, not the New Man in Christ.

    No, nothing is impossible for God. The New Creation in Christ does not sin. God, the Holy Spirit, is not a sinner.
     
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    No, God said it. Do you believe it?
     
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    your "theology" on this is way off from what the Bible actually says. So, when a saved person sins, they can tell the Lord that "it is not my fault", because I cannot sin? And you are supposed to have taught the Bible at college? WOW!
     
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    Yes, I believe what God says, but not the way you misrepresent it.
     
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    Then why do you deny He inspired העלמה?
     
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    Yes, as THE VIRGIN, בְתוּלָ֥ה is YOUNG WONAN
     
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    Well, at least it is better than your grammar! LOL!

    Wrong again! Wow! You never seem to get it right. It is the old man who sins. The new Christ-like life does not. Again, read John's Epistles. You will learn a lot.

    Yes. Both College and Seminary. And my students all came to understand that when a person gets saved he gets New Life in Christ that. John makes that clear. You do believe John's Epistles are inspired, don't you?

    1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

    See? The New Man in Christ does not sin. When we sin it is the old man. Christ does not sin. The old man does.

    You question my teaching ability but you seem to have a problem understanding what our 3rd grade Sunday school kids all know and understand.

    If your church is not teaching the bible my advice is to find one that does.
     
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    What's a "wonan?"
     
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    typo! :Biggrin
     
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    No, its that while we can still do good works, its that none of us while in the sin nature will ever decide to come to Jesus and obey God, as our nature is to reject that!
     
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    any sinner who is under the conviction of the Holy Spirit, can indeed respond to this, and repent and believe in the Gospel. No person can ever come on their own, but need the Holy Spirit to work in them before the repent and believe.
     
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    Scripture teaches that quite plainly,
     
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    Scripture teaches that the Elect were chosen before the foundations of the earth. Where many Calvinists fail is that Scripture does not consider anyone elect until they actually believe.

    While I am not a Calvinist, I really don't have any problem with the five points as headlined in the Canons of Dort (I do disagree about infants being saved by virtue of their parents faith). I believe that, in terms of salvation, men are incapable of saving themselves. God's actions are not conditioned upon men. Jesus died to save those who believe. God's will is going to be accomplished. Those who believe have eternal life.
     
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    This is another thread bashing Calvinists.
     
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    This is the Cal/Arm (non-Cal of a Calvinistic trajectory) forum.
    There are two types of threads on this forum.
    Both types of threads involving bashing.
    You have identified one type of bashing is Calvinist bashing.

    Can you guess what the other type of bashing is (hint: this is a Cal vs Non-Cal of a Calvinistic trajectory forum)

    In other words....don't worry, you'll get your turn. Just look around and pick a non-Cal bashing thread. ;)
     
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    Salvation of children is subject that there has been much discussion of over the centuries,
     
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    I have never seen any other, on this or other boards.#
     
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