Walter Martin's "Kingdom of the Cults" declares Adventist are not a Cult and destroys Hoekema's book

If keeping a set of rules saves, we have a problem: nobody can keep them all. This is salvation by works We are not saved by works. See Ephesians 2:8-10.

There is no scripture which tells us which day(s) to worship. There is some scripture which alludes to meeting daily--many times under duress. A lot of what is practiced today is pure tradition of unregenerated men/women and without biblical basis.

One of the major issues at Nicea was then to celebrate Easter--a pagan holyday. Very interesting. There some out here who do not bow to so-called church councils. Check out council of Trent. It is still in effect. Now what? This is Christian?

Walter Martin also leaves out Catholicism as a cult--this one is the largest since Nimrod. They are still in control in large areas of the world. They are called Christian--some say mother of harlots. It cannot be both.

Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Bro. James

 

The Church of Rome believes in some Christian doctrine, such as the trinity , and Jesus is God, but they are still not a true Church!

 

Do you have any NT/NC support for the Sabbath being carried over to us now?

 

The Jeremiah passage was for the time of the NC unto Israel, so that has not yet happened to the Jews...
Again, NO NT verses support us now still beijng bound to the Sabbath as THE Day to worship God now!

 

Yes. Matthew 2:13-15; citing Hosea 11:1 KJB [Jesus is the true Israel, even as He is the True David, Adam, Solomon, etc, etc.Jeremiah 30:9; Ezekiel 34:23-24, 37:24-25; Hosea 3:5; 1 Corinthians 15:45-46], turn then to Hebrews 2:9-13 KJB, which in verse 13, cites Isaiah 8:18 [read Isaiah 8:8-20 KJB], therefore we know who Jesus [Israel's] children are, in Isaiah 8:16 KJB, as he says of them, "my disciples". Consider the NT texts which Jesus over and over again calls them "my disciples", and even "little children" [Matthew 12:46-50; Mark 14:14; Luke 14:26,27,33, 22:11; John 8:31, 13:35, 15:8 KJB, etc], Thus we know who the "children of Israel" is in referring to Exodus 31:13-18 KJB, and who is to keep the sabbath holy, as it is written, that there are two [not one] Israels:

[1] Israel after the flesh which are not the children of God [Romans 9:6-8; 1 Corinthians 10:18 KJB]; [Head, ruler, Jacob, son of Isaac] Genesis 32:28, 35:10,21; [body, peoples] Genesis 32:32, 35:22; Israel, the person, is as a “king” which is a head or ruler [Joshua 11:10; 1 Samuel 15:17; 1 Kings 1:35, 1 Chronicles 11:2; Psalms 105:20 KJB], over a body or kingdom/land [Isaiah 62:1-5 KJB]. The two [king & kingdom/land] are two things, yet joined, as husband and wife, or Head and body, Father and children, etc. and

[2] the Israel after the Spirit, Jesus Christ, and His children and body [Galatians 6:16; Hebrews 10:13; Romans 9:8 KJB', as it is written, first the natural, then follows the spiritual [1 Corinthians 15:46 KJB].​

But if we consider Isaiah 56:1 KJB, and ask who is "my salvation", and "my righteousness", we can go to the NT texts and know that it is Jesus [Matthew 1:21; Luke 2:20; Acts 4:10,12, see also Isaiah 46:13, 51:5,68,8; Psalms 119:172; Isaiah 48:18]. Then if we jump down to Isaiah 56:8 KJB, we see that it again refers to what Jesus is doing in the NT, as per its fulfillment in John 10:16 KJB. Then all one has to do, is to go back, and read the context between Isaiah 56:1 and Isaiah 56:8, by reading Isaiah 56:2-7, which mentions the "everlasting name", God's "my covenant" [which is the eternal, everlasting and also called New Covenant], and who is to join themselves unto the LORD, the Gentiles.

Thus for the fulfillment of those Isaiah 56 passages, we turn again to the NT, and read Matthew 10:25; [Malachi 1:6]; Luke 6:40; “... the Gentiles are turned to God:” - Acts 15:19 KJB, “That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called ...” - Acts 15:17 KJB, not to cast away the Tabernacle of David, no, but to build it up, see Acts 15:16-17; Amos 9:11-12 KJB, for God had winked at the ignorance of all men in the past, but now commands all men everywhere to come to Him in repentance, and come into obedience to His Law, see Acts 17:30 KJB, see Acts 4:24, 14:15-16; Revelation 10:6, 14:6-7; 2 Peter 2:21; Revelation 12:17; 14:12, 22:14 KJB.

Then compare Exodus 20:8-11, especially verse 11, and align it with Nehemiah 9:6, Psalms 146:6; [Jews] Acts 4:24; [Gentiles] Acts 14:15-16; [all peoples] Revelation 10:6; 14:6-7; and back again to the Gentiles repenting and coming into obedience unto God's Holy commandment [Exodus 20:8; 2 Peter 2:21 KJB], in Acts 13:42-44; Acts 16:13, 18:4,11; Acts 15:21, 17:2 [compare Luke 4:6 in language]; 17:3-4; and also in Hebrews 4:2,4,9,10; Romans 11:26; and then follow it to Isaiah 58:1,12-14.

John 10:35 KJB, unbreakable..

 

Paul; states that none can judge us now for what Sabbath to follow though in Colossians!

 

You misread. Care to look at it?

 

Colossians 2:16 seems pretty simple!

 

It sure is. it speaks in context of "shadow" "sabbath days" [plural]. Those would be the various festal sabbaths associated with the New Moons, and its times, as found in Leviticus 23:4 and onward, Leviticus 25, etc.

The Ten Commandments, including Exodus 20:8-11 KJB, and the 7th day the sabbath of the LORD thy God, is never a shadow, but is always "light", as per Proverbs 6:23; Isaiah 8:20, 51:4; 1 John 2:8, etc KJB.

Compare Colossians 2:14-16 KJB, in its "ordinances", to Ephesians 2:14-16, as well as Hebrews 9:1-10, 10:1,11, etc. Notice, "carnal" "ordinances", not "spiritual" as the Ten Commandments are [Romans 7:14 KJB], and notice the words "things to come" [Colossians 2:17 KJB], and "ages to come" [Ephesians 2:7 KJB], and "of good things to come" [Hebrews 10:1 KJB]. Well the Ten Commandments are already and always "good" [Romans 7:12 KJB], and never have to wait for it to have been so. The 7th Day the Sabbath is also a memorial - pointing to that which is completed in the past.

You do not realize that Paul is citing Psalms 98:1-3; Ezekiel 45:17, etc.

If you compare Colossians 2:16 to Ezekiel 45:17 KJB, you will notice an order of progression, an increase:

[1] meat and drink [refer to the daily offerings]

[2] an holy day [refers to the seasonal feast days]

[3] new moons [refers to the cyclical month days]

[4] of sabbath days [refers to the yearly, 7th year and 50th years days]​

Did you see the order of increase? Those "sabbath days" have nothing to do with the weekly cycle at all. Nothing to do with "light". Nothing to do with "spiritual". They are festal, Moon related, shadows and carnal ordinances under a worldly sanctuary.

God's Ten Commandments, including the fourth, is eternally written in Heaven: Exodus 25:9,40; Numbers 8:4; 1 Chronicles 28:12,19; Hebrews 8:5; Psalms 119:89 KJB, see also Psalms 50:6, 97:6; Psalms 119:172; Hebrews 8:2, 9:11; Revelation 11:19, 15:5 KJB.

 

Mankind is to worship God at all times, in every day. This is not the issue. The issue is the specificity of the 4th Commandment itself. To work on the other six common days, in accordance with God's word, is to worship God. To cease from all common work, upon the 7th day the Sabbath and to keep it holy, as according to God's word, is to worship God. To attempt to not so rest upon the 7th day, and to not keep it holy, by doing whatever pleases you or other men, rather than God, is to not worship God, but yourself, and thus satan.

A Christian, as the Jews did, may meet together, pray together, study together, worship together any and all days of the week. That is not the issue. The issue is in the specificity of the 4th Commandment. In fact, I meet with others regularly throughout the week to study, pray, etc, sometimes at a church buliding, sometimes in a home, sometimes out in nature.

So, indeed, and worship God every day, meet together often!, not only in Acts, yes even in the Gospels and elsewhere, the Christians [even as did the Jews] met daily, none of which eliminates obedience to God in His 4th Commandment:

Jesus met in the temple "daily" [and not only there, also synagogue, and in nature], even especially in his last week from Sunday to Tuesday, especially: John 11:55, 21:1; Matthew 26:55; Mark 14:49; Luke 19:47, 22:53; John 18:20; see additionally [in this order, read carefully], Matthew 21:10; Mark 11:11; John 12:12,13; Matthew 21:12,13,17; Mark 11:12,15,16,17,19; Matthew 26:2; Mark 14:1; Matthew 21:18,23; Mark 11:20,27; Matthew 23:37,38,39 [Parallel to Luke 13:31,32,33,34,35]

Acts 2:46 KJB - And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

Acts 5:42 KJB - And daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ.​

And does any know why this "daily"? Understand this text - Psalms 77:13

Also, Jesus met with the Disciples the 2nd day of the week here, since he spent a great deal of time with the two Disciples on the Road to Emmaus on the first day [see Luke 24:21, "...beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done"], it came to be evening [which begins the next day, when the sun sets at even, Mark 1:32; Leviticus 23:32; Genesis 1:5,8,13,19,23,31, etc ], and then they sat down to dinner, and as Jesus vanished before them, they ran back to Jerusalem at night and then Jesus met with them again, all together [thus no longer the 'first [day] of the week', but rather the second [day] of the week]:

Luke 24:29 KJB - But they constrained him, saying, Abide with us: for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent. And he went in to tarry with them.

Luke 24:30 KJB - And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them.

Luke 24:33 KJB - And they rose up the same hour, and returned to Jerusalem, and found the eleven gathered together, and them that were with them,

Luke 24:36 KJB - And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.​

Jesus also stayed for 40 days after His resurrection, His first ascension and return:

Acts 1:3 KJB - To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:​

Thus, since Jesus ascended for the Second time, this time from the Mount of Olives, he was there with them exactly 10 days before Pentecost [first [day] of the week], which means, we see again that Jesus was with them not merely upon the first [day] of the week.

Hebrews 10:25 KJB - Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.​

The "the day" is two things:

[1] the 7th Day the sabbath of the LORD [Jesus] thy God, at the culmination of each week, an "holy convocation" [Leviticus 23:3; Exodus 20:8; 2 Peter 2:21 KJB]

[2] the Day of the LORD, the great cosmic Sabbath, the second Advent, unto the third advent, known as the 1,000 years, which will begin here [the evening portion, the dark part, when no man can work, probation closed, and in Heaven there is no night there] on earth, soon, this being the greater 7th Day with the LORD, as per Psalms 90:4; 2 Peter 3:8, etc. KJB​