I Believe the Doctrine of Unconditional Election,

So, the God you serve gives these men the opportunity to hear the gospel of the death, burial, and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ, and hear that He is the only way to receive eternal life, and then He says, "Just kidding...you can't have eternal life; I already decided that for you"?

No thank you.

 

You can explain your Calvinistic viewpoint to me several more times and I'll still disagree.

 

No, rather that same God has provided the means by which some get saved, as we ALL deserve hell, correct?

 

Does the God you serve proclaim a WORD that does indeed return void, failing to accomplish anything, in the vast majority of cases ... because men chose to disbelieve and thwarted the will of God?

It seems that those are the only two choices:
1. God calls some people with 100% effectiveness (God limits application).
2. God calls all people, but only some agree to come (Man limits effectiveness).

So which poison do you choose? A 'mean' God or an 'impotent' God?

 

I may not comprehend your personal viewpoint, Brother; but, I believe I comprehend the biblical doctrine of soteriology just fine. I wouldn’t dogmatically state my position if I didn’t feel that I had a fairly good grasp on what I believe the Bible teaches on the subject.

 

Does not have to be either. An all powerful, completely sovereign God who gave man permission to choose.

 

I would add only the words “choose to” to that statement and then I’d agree 100%.

 

How about a loving God who will have His will regarding salvation of His own always accomplished!

 

No, sir. That is what you’re hearing, but that’s not what I’m saying. I believe that all men are the enemies of God until they accept His offer of reconciliation that is extended to all men indiscriminately.

 

And there choice would be based upon them being predestined/elected by God...

 

You won’t believe this, but I’ve asked for here and read books that present both sides of the debate. I’m on my phone right now or I would find the thread and post it here.

 

I am not saying that pastor BoB does this, but some who express the viewpoint that God must show mercy upon all seem to be saying that they know better than God how to do this, or that they deserved to get saved?

 

In order for one to deal with the thinking of limits to election (unconditional election), does not one first need to determine if the thinking of some prevenient or preceding grace is actually found in the Scriptures?

 

Those in very presence of God, such as an isaiah or John wish risen Jesus, were not really boasting anything, but knew they were sinful men before a holy God!