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There are Some Who Believe That a Sinner Does Nothing to be Saved

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Saved-By-Grace, Mar 31, 2018.

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  1. TCassidy

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    As Jesus died to all, and Judas was part of the "all," that seems patently obvious.
     
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    Total Inability has got nothing to do with what you are saying. See John Murray above #35
     
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    If the call is universal, then the provision in the death of Jesus Christ must match that and also be universal, otherwise the "call" is no more than a sham!
     
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    "Total Inability" is a restatement of "Total Depravity" and the bible teaches that man is totally depraved. All three parts of man, his TOTAL being, has been ruined by the fall.

    So, again I ask:

    "What part of man, body, soul, or spirit, do you think the bible teaches remained sinlessly perfect after the fall and therefore good enough to attain heaven without Christ's sacrifice and forgiveness?"

    For some reason you keep dodging the question.
     
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    Yes. Christ died for all. 2 Cor 5:15 "And that he died for all . . . "
     
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    2 Peter 2:1, says that He has also "bought" ALL

    1 John 2:2, says that He is "the sin-offering" for ALL

    2 Peter 3:9 says that He is not willing that ANY of this ALL is lost

    1 Timothy 2:4 says that He desires that these ALL are saved and come to the full knowledge of Jesus as Saviour and Lord.

    1 Timothy 2:6 says that He is the Ransom for these ALL

    So, it is not only that Jesus DIED for ALL

    You know the meanings to the Greek, ἀγοράζω, ἱλασμός, ἀντίλυτρον, which are used for the WHOLE HUMAN RACE OF SINNERS!
     
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    "The lost have free will only in the confined choices consistent with what is fallen. They have no ability nor desire for the thinking and things of God"

    Do you think that the RCC nuns have no "desire for the thinking and things of God"?
     
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    Why would you think they do?

    To whom do they pray?
     
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    I know they falsely pray to Mary and the saints, however, I know that they also pray to Jesus. They are blinded and in their sins (most of them), but they are not haters of God or against God or the Holy Bible
     
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    Exactly. And the Atonement is ONLY applied to believers.
     
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    does this mean that you accept the verses that I have given in #46, are for the entire human race?
     
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    but available to the entire human race
     
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    Please give us scriptural proof to back up your mouth.
     
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    Please read Romans chapter eight and nine and Ephesians chapter one and get back to me. :)
     
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    No person can come to the Father except through the mother of Jesus?

    Did not Jesus state as recorded by John:
    "If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned“​
     
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    see #41
     
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    Can you show us where Calvin says this?
     
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    "The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God" (2 Cor. 4:4)

    Instead of knocking them for their "blindness" Pray for them!!!
     
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    Calvin? Why him? The Bible says so!
     
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    Are you TCassidy?

    #41 was a post by him.
     
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