There are Some Who Believe That a Sinner Does Nothing to be Saved

"I presented verses that suggest no reluctance on God’s part to punish or damn". Maybe you don't understand the English language? I said, show verses from the Bible where it shows that God WILLS that sinners go to hell? NOT that He will so PUNISH them because of their unrepentant sins! There is a BIG difference.

 

So, from this verse you read that Jesus was PLEASED that these would go to hell? You need HELP

 

Now you are trying to twist what I am saying! If you care to carefully read what I am saying, you will see that I have never even hinted what you suggest. The main point is, "God is very willing that they go into second death" (see #109)? Not does He "allow" sinner to chose at they "will", but, that God is VERY WILLING that sinner go to hell. This, is plainly HERETICAL teachings as it is 1000% against the very heart of the Lord and His Word. Show me from anywhere in the Bible, where this quote is true?

 

Yes, but do you realize that those referred to here, are "SANCTIFIED" by the Holy Spirit, who are "BORN AGAIN", as they count the blood of Jesus as "uncommon"? The context is very clear that these referred to, are true believers. Look at the following verse, which cannot refer to the unsaved, "“Vengeance is mine; I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge His people.” Where in Scripture are the "non-elect" ever referred to as "God's people"? OT passages that are used in the NT as warnings as to what could happen to believers who also reject the Lord.

 

I quote the passage yet again, as you still cannot grasp what is said, ""God is VERY WILLING that they go into second death" (see #109). Yet the passages from Ezekiel 18 and 33, among others, are very clear that this is NOT the "will of God". Why are you Reformed/Calvinists so eager to see the lost perish in hell? You guys always attack and twist what the Bible VERY CLEARLY says: "Say to them, As I live, a statement of the Lord Jehovah, I do not have delight in the death of the wicked one, except in the evil one turning from his way, and so to live. Turn back! Turn back from your evil ways! For why will you die, O house of Israel?" (Ezekiel 33:11), where the Hebrew verb, "חָפֵץ", means "to will or desire". WHY do you guys fight what the Lord clearly says? I mean, what exactly is your problem here? You guys are so much like Jonah, who after God saved many thousands from eternal punishment, Jonah was angry with the Lord? WHY? This is NOT what the Bible teaches, but WARPED theology!!!

 

My friend, if you carefully, and without your Reformed/Calvinistic mindset, read the entire context of the Hebrews 10 passage, you will see that divine punishment is here meant, "it is a fearful thing". Very difficult passage indeed. But you have still not dealt with the quote I mentioned from #109? can you before this thread closes?

 

no, post # 109 "God is very willing that they go into second death"

 

do you seen the emphasis VERY? do you see the way the words have been framed, so as to make God taking pleasure in doing this? As I have shown a few times, when the Lord says that He "takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked", that the Hebrew word for "pleasure" also means, "wills or desires". He "allows" this because it is a FREE WILL choice of the sinner who refuses to "repent and believe", as Jesus says in Mark 1:15. It seems to me through all these discussions that I have with the Reformed, that they oppose the fact that God loves the entire human race, and "desires" that ALL come to Jesus for salvation. I really have never been able to understand this in all my 35+ years being saved!