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There are Some Who Believe That a Sinner Does Nothing to be Saved

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Saved-By-Grace

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TCassidy said:
You didn't answer my question. Here it is again:

"What part of man, body, soul, or spirit, do you think the bible teaches remained sinlessly perfect after the fall and therefore good enough to attain heaven without Christ's sacrifice and forgiveness?"
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Total Inability has got nothing to do with what you are saying. See John Murray above #35
 
TCassidy

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Saved-By-Grace said:
Total Inability has got nothing to do with what you are saying. See John Murray above #35
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"Total Inability" is a restatement of "Total Depravity" and the bible teaches that man is totally depraved. All three parts of man, his TOTAL being, has been ruined by the fall.

So, again I ask:

"What part of man, body, soul, or spirit, do you think the bible teaches remained sinlessly perfect after the fall and therefore good enough to attain heaven without Christ's sacrifice and forgiveness?"

For some reason you keep dodging the question.
 
TCassidy

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Saved-By-Grace said:
If the call is universal, then the provision in the death of Jesus Christ must match that and also be universal, otherwise the "call" is no more than a sham!
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Yes. Christ died for all. 2 Cor 5:15 "And that he died for all . . . "
 
Saved-By-Grace

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TCassidy said:
Yes. Christ died for all. 2 Cor 5:15 "And that he died for all . . . "
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2 Peter 2:1, says that He has also "bought" ALL

1 John 2:2, says that He is "the sin-offering" for ALL

2 Peter 3:9 says that He is not willing that ANY of this ALL is lost

1 Timothy 2:4 says that He desires that these ALL are saved and come to the full knowledge of Jesus as Saviour and Lord.

1 Timothy 2:6 says that He is the Ransom for these ALL

So, it is not only that Jesus DIED for ALL

You know the meanings to the Greek, ἀγοράζω, ἱλασμός, ἀντίλυτρον, which are used for the WHOLE HUMAN RACE OF SINNERS!
 
Saved-By-Grace

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agedman said:
The lost have free will only in the confined choices consistent with what is fallen. They have no ability nor desire for the thinking and things of God.

That you actually impose such upon the Scriptures is just very poor.

Does not the Scriptures state that it is NOT by power, might or WILL that one is saved?

Your obsessiveness is based upon bias and agreement with some view that folks have a free will that apparently is not fallen. But that is just not found in the Scriptures.

You desire to mock the reformed, and you actually know nothing of the desperate insecurity of your own view.

Truly sad.

I am reminded of those who would allow emotionalism to supersede and even block the work of the Holy Spirit because they want to "feel" rather than be at true peace.
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"The lost have free will only in the confined choices consistent with what is fallen. They have no ability nor desire for the thinking and things of God"

Do you think that the RCC nuns have no "desire for the thinking and things of God"?
 
agedman

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Saved-By-Grace said:
"The lost have free will only in the confined choices consistent with what is fallen. They have no ability nor desire for the thinking and things of God"

Do you think that the RCC nuns have no "desire for the thinking and things of God"?
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Why would you think they do?

To whom do they pray?
 
Saved-By-Grace

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agedman said:
Why would you think they do?

To whom do they pray?
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I know they falsely pray to Mary and the saints, however, I know that they also pray to Jesus. They are blinded and in their sins (most of them), but they are not haters of God or against God or the Holy Bible
 
TCassidy

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Saved-By-Grace said:
2 Peter 2:1, says that He has also "bought" ALL

1 John 2:2, says that He is "the sin-offering" for ALL

2 Peter 3:9 says that He is not willing that ANY of this ALL is lost

1 Timothy 2:4 says that He desires that these ALL are saved and come to the full knowledge of Jesus as Saviour and Lord.

1 Timothy 2:6 says that He is the Ransom for these ALL

So, it is not only that Jesus DIED for ALL

You know the meanings to the Greek, ἀγοράζω, ἱλασμός, ἀντίλυτρον, which are used for the WHOLE HUMAN RACE OF SINNERS!
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Exactly. And the Atonement is ONLY applied to believers.
 
agedman

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Saved-By-Grace said:
I know they falsely pray to Mary and the saints, however, I know that they also pray to Jesus. They are blinded and in their sins (most of them), but they are not haters of God or against God or the Holy Bible
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No person can come to the Father except through the mother of Jesus?

Did not Jesus state as recorded by John:
"If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned“​
 
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Saved-By-Grace said:
unless you are accusing God of being insincere, IF He were to INVITE the whole human race, it is ONLY because He has provided for ALL their sins in the Death of the Lord Jesus Christ. Redemption has been completed for the whole human race, but all will not be saved because all will not accept what the Lord demands. Remember, the Lord COMMANDS that the entire human race REPENTS of their sins (Acts 17:30)
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Can you show us where Calvin says this?
 
Saved-By-Grace

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agedman said:
No person can come to the Father except through the mother of Jesus?
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"The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God" (2 Cor. 4:4)

Instead of knocking them for their "blindness" Pray for them!!!
 
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