Salvation by any other name.....

You avoided the question. "Did all the prophets preach Jesus Christ (Heb: Jehoshua Meshiac) or not?"

If you say they didn't then you don't believe the bible and we have no basis on which we can continue this discussion.

 

No, the bible says what it says. You either accept it or reject it. There is no middle ground.

 

But we are not talking about them. We are talking about the OT saints. Believers. They believed what the Prophets of God preached.

So you are admitting you deny Acts 10:43 is true. You say they didn't preach Jesus Christ and Him crucified. How sad.

All of them. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.

Hebrews 11 is the FAITH chapter.

Heb 11:1 Now faith is assurance of things hoped for, proof of things not seen. 2 For by this (faith), the elders (OT Saints) obtained testimony.

Heb 11:4 By faith, Abel (an OT saint) offered to God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, through which he had testimony given to him that he was righteous, God testifying with respect to his gifts; and through it he, being dead, still speaks.

Heb 11:5 By faith, Enoch (an OT saint) was taken away, so that he wouldn’t see death, and he was not found, because God translated him. For he has had testimony given to him that before his translation he had been well pleasing to God.

Heb 11:7 By faith, Noah (an OT saint), being warned about things not yet seen, moved with godly fear, prepared a ship for the saving of his house, through which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is according to faith.

Heb 11:10 For he looked for the city which has the foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

Now let's put verse 16, which you quoted out of context, in context.

Heb 11:14 For those who say such things make it clear that they are seeking a country of their own.

They were looking for the earthly land God had promised them.

Then you quote verses 39 and 40 again out of context. When put in context we see the truth.

Heb 11:38 (of whom the world was not worthy), wandering in deserts, mountains, caves, and the holes of the earth.

Here the context makes it clear that they did not receive the earthly allotment of land promised to Abraham. They lived in caves, and mountains, and deserts, but not in the promised land flowing with milk and honey.

Heb 11:39 These all, having had testimony given to them through their faith, didn’t receive the promise, (the land of Canaan, flowing with milk and honey)

Heb 11:40 God having provided some better thing concerning us, so that apart from us they should not be made complete.

The Jews of the day in which Hebrews was written had received the land of promise and were living in it! The promise, unfulfilled to the OT saints prior to the Conquest (1405-1398 BC) was now complete for the Jews of that day when Hebrews was written.

They knew the Meshiac to be Jehoshua. That is what "all the prophets" preached. That is what the people listed in Hebrews 11 had faith in!

Its the bible. Just believe it!

 

So you have contempt for yourself? You want to the bible to say "the book slain from the foundation of the world" instead of what it really says, "the LAMB slain from the foundation of the world."

 

The only errors you have shown are your own.

I don't read commentaries. I read the bible.

So you are suggesting I trust the word of men over the word of God?

Most of them have been dead for several decades. But your disrespect for honored and honorable men of God is noted.

No, understanding and believing the word of God is not a "gip." It is what God commands us to do.

2 Tim 2:15 Give diligence to present yourself approved by God, a workman who doesn’t need to be ashamed, properly handling the Word of Truth.

You obviously have not idea what "humanism" is. Just one more thing you don't understand.

 

So you think the phrase "the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world" means the Lamb was NOT slain, but the book was slain? Really?

I gotta ask. Are you just trolling me?

 

This is the second time you have accused me of the vile, damnable heresy of humanism.

I will give you one chance to post something I said that is humanistic, or apologize for posting such a vicious falsehood.

The clock is ticking.

 

So, because "from the foundation of the world" is used to describe the eternality of other things, it makes it impossible for the Lamb to have been slain from the foundation of the world, so Revelation 13:8 is a lie?