The knew of a promised Messiah, that is all , They did not know Jesus personally.
Did Job know either, Enoch? no
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The knew of a promised Messiah, that is all , They did not know Jesus personally.
Did Job know either, Enoch? no
You avoided the question. "Did all the prophets preach Jesus Christ (Heb: Jehoshua Meshiac) or not?"
If you say they didn't then you don't believe the bible and we have no basis on which we can continue this discussion.
No, the bible says what it says. You either accept it or reject it. There is no middle ground.
Some did not have the prophets, It does not matter what language the names you quote. They did not know.
Look at the heroes of faith and determine which ones had any prophet.
Heb 11:16
But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
Heb 11:39¶
And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
Heb 11:40
God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
What promise did they not receive in your scenario? You said they inherited Heaven, the scripture says they desire a heavenly country (after they are dead, so clearly theynot in Heaven if they are still desiring )
no, you misunderstands scripture, you know the Messiah to be Jesus, but they did not, as an example, His own disciples did not understand after three years of direct teaching.
I showed an example where the names are in the book from the foundation of the world with no mention of the Lamb. you know this, The names are sealed against the power of the devil as mentioned in the previous verse.
[Personal attack edited] But it is so strange that as learned as you are you continue to disagree with others who have shown you errors. not just me but those commentaries mentioned.
Look them up for better presentation and get a refund from your professor, cause if you presented this with his approval, you were gipped.
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Look them up for better presentation and get a refund from your professor, cause if you presented this with his approval, you were gipped.
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But we are not talking about them. We are talking about the OT saints. Believers. They believed what the Prophets of God preached.
So you are admitting you deny Acts 10:43 is true. You say they didn't preach Jesus Christ and Him crucified. How sad.
All of them. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.
Hebrews 11 is the FAITH chapter.
Heb 11:1 Now faith is assurance of things hoped for, proof of things not seen. 2 For by this (faith), the elders (OT Saints) obtained testimony.
Heb 11:4 By faith, Abel (an OT saint) offered to God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, through which he had testimony given to him that he was righteous, God testifying with respect to his gifts; and through it he, being dead, still speaks.
Heb 11:5 By faith, Enoch (an OT saint) was taken away, so that he wouldn’t see death, and he was not found, because God translated him. For he has had testimony given to him that before his translation he had been well pleasing to God.
Heb 11:7 By faith, Noah (an OT saint), being warned about things not yet seen, moved with godly fear, prepared a ship for the saving of his house, through which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is according to faith.
Heb 11:10 For he looked for the city which has the foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
Now let's put verse 16, which you quoted out of context, in context.
Heb 11:14 For those who say such things make it clear that they are seeking a country of their own.
They were looking for the earthly land God had promised them.
Then you quote verses 39 and 40 again out of context. When put in context we see the truth.
Heb 11:38 (of whom the world was not worthy), wandering in deserts, mountains, caves, and the holes of the earth.
Here the context makes it clear that they did not receive the earthly allotment of land promised to Abraham. They lived in caves, and mountains, and deserts, but not in the promised land flowing with milk and honey.
Heb 11:39 These all, having had testimony given to them through their faith, didn’t receive the promise, (the land of Canaan, flowing with milk and honey)
Heb 11:40 God having provided some better thing concerning us, so that apart from us they should not be made complete.
The Jews of the day in which Hebrews was written had received the land of promise and were living in it! The promise, unfulfilled to the OT saints prior to the Conquest (1405-1398 BC) was now complete for the Jews of that day when Hebrews was written.
They knew the Meshiac to be Jehoshua. That is what "all the prophets" preached. That is what the people listed in Hebrews 11 had faith in!
Its the bible. Just believe it!
So you have contempt for yourself? You want to the bible to say "the book slain from the foundation of the world" instead of what it really says, "the LAMB slain from the foundation of the world."
The only errors you have shown are your own.
I don't read commentaries. I read the bible.
So you are suggesting I trust the word of men over the word of God?
Most of them have been dead for several decades. But your disrespect for honored and honorable men of God is noted.
No, understanding and believing the word of God is not a "gip." It is what God commands us to do.
2 Tim 2:15 Give diligence to present yourself approved by God, a workman who doesn’t need to be ashamed, properly handling the Word of Truth.
You obviously have not idea what "humanism" is. Just one more thing you don't understand.
The OT was a partial revelation though, as the full revelation on the Messiah awaited the NT revelation of the Lord Jesus and his Apostles, correct?
They accepted what they were revealed to by God at the time...
They preached the coming the of the messiah sent froth from God,and they knew that he would be the promised savior and King, but they not yet the full revelation of the NT at that time, correct?
[Personal attack edited] The commentaries of those with as much education might could explain for you . You obviously have trouble with scripture.
You were correct but have been mislead by your admittance for the approval of a professor
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We are not saved at the hope of a coming Messiah, We are saved by a personal relationship with The faith in a coming Messiah was accounted for righteousness, the Jesus was shown to them after the Crucifixion. They were complete. Heb 11
nope look at the verse and the other verses with similar phrases. You will notice the other uses of the phrases are not as you say and that in this case the power of the devil is the subject of discussion which cannot effect the . The names are sealed "from the foundation of the world" not the Lamb slain,
The Lamb slain used other places but not with the "foundation of the world"
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So you think the phrase "the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world" means the Lamb was NOT slain, but the book was slain? Really?
I gotta ask. Are you just trolling me?
This is the second time you have accused me of the vile, damnable heresy of humanism.
I will give you one chance to post something I said that is humanistic, or apologize for posting such a vicious falsehood.
The clock is ticking.
come one , thy are you being obtuse, Lamb Slain, is used often in other places.. from the foundation of the world is used
often but not with Lamb slain. In this cause names written in the book "from the foundation of the world"
Heb 9:24
For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
Heb 9:25
Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
Heb 9:26
For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself
suffered, not slain
So, because "from the foundation of the world" is used to describe the eternality of other things, it makes it impossible for the Lamb to have been slain from the foundation of the world, so Revelation 13:8 is a lie?
They progressively knew of A Messiah as promised. Some did not. They were introduced to Him later, personally
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