Paige Patterson removed as President of SWBTS

[Baptist Believer]

Did they ask her not to report it to police?

Yes, among other things.

In a private organization, you don't have the right to openly criticize your employer.

So no prophets are allowed at Southwestern? Retweeting a link to an article suggesting that it is time for the President to resign is not much of a criticism.

 

[Baptist Believer]

We have seen demonstrated that the board is spineless.

Actually, we have not "seen demonstrated that the [trustee] board is spineless." Your ill-informed accusations about an institution you obviously know nothing about do not 'demonstrate' anything.

 

[Jerome]

I can't help but think an 18 year old blog statement is not the real issue, but rather is the excuse being used by the anti-Patterson people to nudge him out of the Presidency. He has always been a divisive figure due to his ultra conservative stance and his outspoken manner.

That incident was just one of several, one was much more recent. Everyone, read this article yesterday by SBTS President Al Mohler:

https://albertmohler.com/2018/05/23/wrath-god-poured-humiliation-southern-baptist-convention/

At one of our seminaries, controversy has centered on a president (now former president) whose sermon illustration from years ago included advice that a battered wife remain in the home and the marriage in hope of the conversion of her abusive husband. Other comments represented the objectification of a teenage girl. The issues only grew more urgent with the sense that the dated statements represented ongoing advice and counsel.

the avalanche of sexual misconduct that has come to light in recent weeks is almost too much to bear. These grievous revelations of sin have occurred in churches, in denominational ministries, and even in our seminaries.

This is exactly what those who opposed the Conservative Resurgence warned would happen. They claimed that the effort to recover the denomination theologically was just a disguised move to capture the denomination for a new set of power-hungry leaders. I know that was not true. I must insist that this was not true. But, it sure looks like their prophecies had some merit after all...The SBC, solidly conservative theologically, has been revealed to be morally compromised.

A church, denomination, or Christian ministry must look outside of itself when confronted with a pattern of mishandling such responsibilities, or merely of being charged with such a pattern. We cannot vindicate ourselves....I believe that any public accusation concerning such a pattern requires an independent, third-party investigation.

In Romans 1:18 we are told: “For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth.” This is just a foretaste of the wrath of God poured out. This moment requires the very best of us. The Southern Baptist Convention is on trial and our public credibility is at stake. May God have mercy on us all.

 

[Revmitchell]

Yea Mohler misrepresented the facts on the counsel Patterson gave the woman dealing with abuse.

 

[Revmitchell]

And, I can't help but think an 18 year old blog statement is not the real issue, but rather is the excuse being used by the anti-Patterson people to nudge him out of the Presidency. He has always been a divisive figure due to his ultra conservative stance and his outspoken manner.

This is worth repeating

 

[Baptist Believer]

Some additional background:

Paige Patterson and the Rape Victim He Shamed

 

[Rhetorician]

Disgraceful that SBC allowed this to happen.

Bro. Reynolds,

Why is it so disgraceful? The SBC is only in session a couple of days each year and meets next month to consider business for the entire year.

Each seminary of the SBC is accountable for and to the trustees alone. No more! No less! So to make such a statement as "Disgraceful that SBC allowed this to happen;" I would say as graciously as I possibly can, that someone has a limited knowledge of how the SBC works.

I do have a "dog in the fight" but have left Dr. Patterson's situation up to the sovereignty of God and the wisdom of the trustees. But I just could not let this confession pass without saying something to correct it. Many is the time when an SBC entity head or seminary prof or president says or does something that is out of step with the rank and file SBC churches and / or church members. That person is only responsible in the short term to those just above him or her like a corporation. Nuff said.

Thank you so much for the clarification, you are welcome I am sure! LOL!!!

sdg!

rd

 

[Salty]

All this is just one more reason for me to have avoided attending a seminary & depending upon the BIBLE & the HOLY SPIRIT to educate me in the Lord.

Since a Baptist pastor has been convicted of crimes against children - All this is just one more reason for me to have avoided attending a baptist church & depending upon the BIBLE & the HOLY SPIRIT to educate me in the Lord.

 

[Reynolds]

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The head of an institution is the indirect employer of all employees.
The small company I am CEO of is the employer of its employees, but ask anyone who works there who they work for and the answer will be me.

Bro. Reynolds,

Why is it so disgraceful? The SBC is only in session a couple of days each year and meets next month to consider business for the entire year.

Each seminary of the SBC is accountable for and to the trustees alone. No more! No less! So to make such a statement as "Disgraceful that SBC allowed this to happen;" I would say as graciously as I possibly can, that someone has a limited knowledge of how the SBC works.

I do have a "dog in the fight" but have left Dr. Patterson's situation up to the sovereignty of God and the wisdom of the trustees. But I just could not let this confession pass without saying something to correct it. Many is the time when an SBC entity head or seminary prof or president says or does something that is out of step with the rank and file SBC churches and / or church members. That person is only responsible in the short term to those just above him or her like a corporation. Nuff said.

Thank you so much for the clarification, you are welcome I am sure! LOL!!!

sdg!

rd

I guarantee you the SBC could have stopped it. The SBC leadership have become wimps and are doing nothing but pandering to race baiters and caving to political pressures.

 

[TCassidy]

All this is just one more reason for me to have avoided attending a seminary & depending upon the BIBLE & the HOLY SPIRIT to educate me in the Lord.

Ignorance is NOT a virtue.

 

[TCassidy]

Did they ask her not to report it to police?

It matters not. They can ask, but she can decline, pick up the phone and dial 911. It was her decision to not report the incident.

So no prophets are allowed at Southwestern?

No. The gift of prophecy passed away around 100 AD.

Retweeting a link to an article suggesting that it is time for the President to resign is not much of a criticism.

Either Dr. Patterson stepped way out of line or there is more to this than we have been told.

I guarantee you the SBC could have stopped it.

How? The Convention doesn't exist yet. It will be called into existence on June 12. And it will cease to exist at 5 PM on June 13.

Research the phrase "Rope of sand." SBC affiliated churches are autonomous. The colleges are either governed by the Local or State Association (rare) or by an elected board of trustees.

The seminaries are all governed by an elected board of trustees. SWBTS is currently governed by 40 trustees, 38 men and 2 women. And they have the final say in matters concerning the seminary.

 

[TCassidy]

Some additional background:

Paige Patterson and the Rape Victim He Shamed

That is the most biased, slanted, suggestive bunch of twaddle I have ever read. None of it is best evidence, and none of it would stand up in a court of law.

 

[Revmitchell]

That is the most biased, slanted, suggestive bunch of twaddle I have ever read. None of it is best evidence, and none of it would stand up in a court of law.

But it makes good reasons for hating a man.

 

[Rhetorician]

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I guarantee you the SBC could have stopped it. The SBC leadership have become wimps and are doing nothing but pandering to race baiters and caving to political pressures.

Dear Bro. Reynolds,

Do you really know how you sound every time you make a comment like this? You either do not know how the SBC operates; OR you will not take the time to investigate for your own learning.

In either case, I would invite you not to spew such venom until you find out exactly how the SBC works. And If my comments seem too forward or too harsh I beg forgiveness from all I have offended, especially you my dear Bro. Reynolds.

Solely to the Glory of God Alone!

rd

 

[TadQueasy]

Amazing to see how some will defend Patterson no matter what.

 

[Reynolds]

Dear Bro. Reynolds,

Do you really know how you sound every time you make a comment like this? You either do not know how the SBC operates; OR you will not take the time to investigate for your own learning.

In either case, I would invite you not to spew such venom until you find out exactly how the SBC works. And If my comments seem too forward or too harsh I beg forgiveness from all I have offended, especially you my dear Bro. Reynolds.

Solely to the Glory of God Alone!

rd

I understand exactly how the SBC operates. I used to go to the annual conventions. The SBC has become concerned more about shedding its historical image than it is concerned about ALWAYS doing what is right.

 

[Reynolds]

Amazing to see how some will defend Patterson no matter what.

He is a good man. He is a true conservative.

 

[TadQueasy]

He is a good man. He is a true conservative.

Perhaps so, but that doesn't change the fact that he is dead wrong here and should not be defended.

 

[Reynolds]

Perhaps so, but that doesn't change the fact that he is dead wrong here and should not be defended.

Dead wrong about what?

 

[TadQueasy]

Dead wrong about what?

To start with the situation with the lady from SEBTS that he advised to not go to the authorities, but I am sure there is much more.