Featured The Root...of Doctrinal Apostasy...what is that?

v 6 is the key
Heb 6:6

If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Can Jesus be re crucified,, no ?

verse 7 says the blessing of God {or opportunities} are for all. The bad {decisions} growth is rejected,
Heb 6:7¶
For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
Heb 6:8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

 

What you are describing is that of heresy, not apostasy.

The distinction is in terms of renunciation. One may certainly drift, as some say, stray, however the apostate doesn't drift or stray, they actually renounce or state in effect that they no longer hold to certain core doctrines and foundational statements of Scriptures.

One may be involved in heresy before continuing to apostate by actually declaring that which is opposite to Biblical truth.

Back decades ago, a man named Peale was an influential fellow. A denier of many of the fundamental foundational statements of Scriptures. A "bishop" who stated, "It is not necessary to be born again." He was an apostate. Though he carried great credentials and influence, he was a denier of the foundational truths of Scriptures.

There are those who would lump Hyles, and Ruckman into the camp of apostasy, I do not extend to them that dishonor, but I do hold both as heretical in some of their thinking and teaching.

Now, I give you these three names not to shame them, but to give you as loose examples to further your own investigation into the difference and why I can hold Hebrews 6 as I do.

It is important that you also keep in play that thinking given by the Apostle Paul, that one of the indications of the last days is the acceptableness of the apostasy, and people desiring their ears be pleased rather than their hearts tuned to the Holy Spirit by being taught the Scriptures.

The apostate is as Judas the betrayer. He was well respected in the apostles, trusted as the keeper of the treasury, entrusted to walk with them, learn with them, do miracles with them, and yet he was never "of them."

 

yeah, I know what is said, even Scoffield's referenced notes, It is not a translation problem, just a English sentence structure issue. The verse , chapter , is talking about Christian perfection not the basics of salvation again. "this we will do if God permits"

The opportunity of salvation is given to all, as God provides rail over all.

One cannot be saved again because Christ cannot be crucified again

 

This error is an apostasy because it strays from the direct teaching here in Hebrews, Yet look who all repeats this that we can loose or almost be saved when the verses say no such thing

 

We need to remember the Jews were the primary recipients of the letter to the Hebrews. We should therefore consider Heb. 6 as being addressed to the Jews who had had Jesus among them, living, teaching, healing, rebuking, tried, rejected & crucified. They have heard the Gospel of repentance & forgiveness in Jesus name proclaimed to them.

4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age 6 and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace. 7 Land that drinks in the rain often falling on it and that produces a crop useful to those for whom it is farmed receives the blessing of God. 8 But land that produces thorns and thistles is worthless and is in danger of being cursed. In the end it will be burned.​

The risen LORD Jesus accused Saul of persecuting him. Saul repented. These apostates are confirming their rejection of their Saviour, so in effect they are confirmed the sentence passed on him. There is no other Saviour. That generation will perish without mercy.

Yet the Gospel stands until the end of time.

 

To treat the crucifixion as insufficient or inadequate or repeatable is apostasy.
To reject God's open equal blessings leads to destruction v7

the verse you list are certainly true but it does not apply to " the falling away"
Heb 6:6
If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Did not God pay for all sin? Does God need to die again for one's sin?

NO

 

I will venture the opinion that pride is the root of doctrinal apostasy.
This comes in two forms as follows:

1. 'I am so well-taught at seminary, so knowledgeable in the Biblical languages, so experienced in the word, so intelligent and astute that I don't need to listen to anybody else because I have the anointing, the master touch.......etc.

2. 'I know my Bible so well and am so super-spiritual that I don't need to read any books on theology or learn from anyone because I have the anointing, the master-touch.....etc.

Both these approaches have led to apostasy in the past and will doubtless do so again. The antidote to both of them is good, old-fashioned humility or meekness.


And you get to inherit the earth as well.

I will mention one other thing: it is necessary that theological seminaries be staffed by regenerate men who have a clear vision of what is needed to produce the evangelical Pastors of the future.

Henry Grove was the Principal of a Presbyterian Seminary from 1725-1738. Bennet and Bogue (History of Dissenters) relate that he was a man of considerable intellect, writing learned articles for the Spectator and other secular publications. They continued, ‘His knowledge of moral philosophy was unsurpassed and he published many erudite documents on a variety of subjects. But important and valuable as all these qualities are, one thing was wanting to complete his character and give efficacy to the whole; and the want of that rendered many of the others worse than useless. It is by the principles of religion which a tutor instills into his students, that they become a blessing or a curse to the human race; assassins of souls or instruments of salvation. Unhappily Mr. Grove was not sound in the faith; and as he advanced in years, he became more averse to evangelical doctrines. The greater part of the students imbibed the spirit of their tutor, and going forth with their new divinity, they starved and scattered the flourishing churches, which the pure doctrine of Christ had gathered and increased.’

 

The way I understand this passage is in the sense of limited atonement. That is, Christ died only for the elect and these will not fall away. But for those who fall away, they were not among the number of elect. So they would need God to elect them for salvation, and for Christ to return to the cross to redeem them. Because his death paid only for the sins of the elect, else all would be saved.

 

it is impossible to fall away... unless they crucify Christ again for every little sin. Do they have the power to do this? No, then one cannot lose salvation..period.....Let us go on to perfection...v1

Heb 6:4
For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost.....

 

As one who does not agree with limited atonement as a limit upon the shed blood for all creation, but that limit is placed as those who are called to redemption through the death and resurrected Lord, it is clear that the teaching of Hebrews 6 is to all who are apostate and that has no subset to the saved. The apostate was never and is not saved.

You desire to select "tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost" as if that is and indication of salvation.

1) all the world partakes of the work of the Holy Spirit. That is His work in which Christ said He would accomplish.

2) the blessings and gifts of God are shed upon both the unrighteous and righteous. That is also in agreement with the Scriptures.

What the verse does not support is one saved, and then being an apostate. Nope, Cannot happen.

One who is saved may become heretical, but ultimately the child of God cannot become an apostate. Such passages as Romans 8 will not allow for that.

If one is "In Christ Jesus" they are saved. Only the saved are "In Christ." Romans 8 states that there is "no condemnation" to the saved.

For those who would limit the passage to only the Jews, it is important to recall that the NT states that there is no line of consideration as to nationality, station, merit, gender, ... when it comes to salvation. The Jews are redeemed as are the gentiles. Therefore, although Hebrews is certainly addressing issues from the perspective of the Jews, it is not limited nor any passage application to only the Jews, but to all who would pervert the gospel by human rationalism, the same as Satan did in both the garden and the wilderness.

The point being that many buy into the lie(s) and therefore are apostate - unsaved - never been saved - cannot be saved for as the Lord said, the single unpardonable sin is assigning the things of Satan to the Holy Spirit or vice versa.

 

one cannot be apostate if they have never correctly believed

 

There is no reason to attempt to assign salvation to the apostate.

Just as one does not assign salvation to the anti-christs.

For both are on the same mission and cut of the same cloth.

"On that day they will take up against you a taunt And utter a bitter lamentation and say, 'We are completely destroyed! He exchanges the portion of my people; How He removes it from me! To the apostate He apportions our fields.'"

 

total agreement

 

True Christians can commit heresy, but not Apostate, correct?

 

Pro 3:5

Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding