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Apostle paul contridicts this though, as he saw the main truth being that while we were yet sinners, jesus died for us in our stead, and that makes sin the heart of the matter!

 

God created me to glorify Himself, as he will be able to show off forever just how His grace and mercy could save even a worm such as I!

 

This does not directly answer the hypothetical question, but God and man in full fellowship is the focus. God’s immeasurable love is essential to that. Our comprehension of that love is key to reciprocation. If we miss that, we’ve badly missed the message indeed.

6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. 7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die. 8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.--Romans 5:6-8

37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. 38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, 39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.--Romans 8:37-39

14 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named, 16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man; 17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, 18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; 19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God. 20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us, 21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.--Ephesians 3:14-20

 

Jesus death was in the ultimate sense to bring glory to His Father, as He provided the way to have a Holy God be able to legally redeem a fallen sinner..

 

Not a show off, but getting the due respect and glory that the holy One should!

 

Its all about Christ... The OT and the NT... The focal point has always been Jesus Christ... As long as I have been in the Old Line Primitive Baptist Church every sermon always had Jesus Christ... If Jesus Christ is not contained in your message you are not preaching... The Apostle Paul said that is all he knew and all he preached... His preaching was centered around Jesus Christ... What I have yet to understand is why when brethren reach the book of Revelation Jesus Christ seems to disappear... The Anti-Christ shows up, the millennium, the rapture and who knows what else... The focal point is still Jesus Christ, not you and me... Brother Glen

1 Corinthians 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

1:24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

1 Corinthians 2:1 And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.

2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

2:3 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.

2:4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:

2:5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

2 Corinthians 4:5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.

 

It is the Revelation of Jesus Christ, and so he should be its prominent and primary focus!

 

I’ve repeated my summary answer, and now I ask, how could God best communicate to us the extent of his love? Perhaps the most popular verse around is John 3:16:
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

 

Do the verses you cited exclude the involvement of sin (your original question)? Do they point to as great an expression of love as revealed in Christ on the cross? You will need to really flesh out your proposal, but I don’t predict success. My question is not about how great God’s immeasurable love is, but about how we could best comprehend it, experience it, be included in it, share it. A primary atheistic complaint is that God did not skip all this and create us already transformed and sinless in heaven. The Satanic answer is that God does not really love us.

 

The last verse you cited in the list above is Jesus before heading to the cross. A fuller quote makes it clearer. John 15:9-13

As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full. This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.​

 

Such verses do not exclude sin at all; they actually assume it.

 

Actually He was already there and walked with Adam/Eve in the "cool" ("ruach- wind or breeze") of the day.
The question should be more explicit IMO - Would the Logos have become flesh and why?

My answer would be yes - to perfect the fellowship of God and man.