Arminianism & Calvinism issue to split over?

So, you are know left with a picture of a God who punishes the innocent. Their sin as already be propititaed, but He still punishes them?

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Why? If it atoned for ALL sin, no one would go to Hell.

 

no one is innocent, all are guilty condemned already, some just ask for a pardon . Sin is paid for, We just have to believe Jesus is our only salvation

 

Why would He create people who He knew would not choose Him? Did they really have a choice if God already knew what it would be, but still created them? Is God bot powerful enough or cleaver enough to convince a weak creature to follow Him?

He could have saved them for everlasting punishment just by not creating them.

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the ransom is paid, we just have to believe it was sufficient and Christ offers us a pardon. If we cannot accept, we are still doomed

 

Another topic for a anther thread, my favorite subject, You were not created in sin

 

That is not what propitation is. God can not be appeased of His wrath and still have wrath. If all sin is propitated it not held against anyone. God can not punish those who are under the atonement.

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You , a saved one are removed from wrath. if not you continue on the way you were convicted

Jhn 3:18

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He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

propitiation is God righteous on you, a result of a choice.

 

If God has been paid the ransom, but doesn't follow through with salvation, that would make Him unjust.

Like you said, ransom has been paid, propitation is done. It has to limited or all have to saved. If a store clerk catches you stealing. You have no money. But then he accepts payment from an 3rd party for the stole item. He can no longer press charges against the offender. The debt has been paid. The Father cannot accept payment from Christ for everyone's si. and still charge them accountable for thetransgression. Everyone whose debt Christ paid has been forgiven.

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That has nothing to do with what I said

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will your non elect go to Hell?

 

It does, why would God create one just to send them to hell? He did not

 

You said God has foreknowledge of those who would choose Him. You back tracking on that?

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later on this subject.

Will the non elect go to hell?

 

Biblically teaching is clear. Those who remain in rebellion will see the lake of fire.

You still never answered my question several posts ago. Does anyone go to Hell? [And stay there]



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yes, those who do not accept God's pardon. So your nonelect go to hell without out having a choice ? So God made them just knowing He was not going to choose them, just to send the to hell? Is this what you believe?

 

john 3:36

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrathof God abideth on him.

 

You have just backed yourself into a corner. So you say God has foreknowledge of who will choose Him. Which means He knows who will not choose Him. Yet, he still created them. You are in the same boat. God could have just not created them.

God created them, knowing they would go to Hell



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The reprobate choose to leave in rebellion. It is the their desire and it is what they choose

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nope We were not created in sin., that was a choice. God knew our choices and made a way of pardon. He works to save us despite of our actions

 

Yes Jonah was presdestined.