I will keep on saying that the lord saves out His own even among catholics, but that church still is Apostate!
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Was The Reformation Sent By God?
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You just proved my point.
Take a lesson from Jesus:
John 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
Some will, some won't.
2 Timothy 2
24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
God often uses human instruments to affect His will, if you want God's results (repentance) you must use His methods (gentleness, patience).
Again, there is a big difference between indivual catholics, and the institution is teaches false theology and is Apostste!
Yes, but still must speak out gaainst a false Church trying to support its theology as being real Christianity!
The problem was that the Reformers continued the RCC doctrine of infant baptism & church-state unity. Thus everyone was baptised & became a member of the state church.
Refusing to have babies baptised, rebaptising repentant sinners, & meeting apart from the state church all became capital offences.
It took nearly 200 years after the 95 theses for independent & baptist Christians to have freedom of worship in England. 1689 !
Agreed but IMO many Catholics are your brethren. Take the advice of scripture and treat them as such.
"peradventure God will give them repentance"
Is the Church of England split? Anglo-Catholic vs Evangelical?
It's all over the place - add modernist & ritualist to the list. But there's little active controversy - they accept each other.
This article about Welsh baptists tells the story well. We worship at a church in Hay mentioned in the article. Our new home is in the Golden Valley parallel to the the valleys mentioned.
From 1609 the idea that the established church could not be reformed and that a separate church institution was needed began to take root. The first act towards this was by John Smyth, a Fellow of Christ’s College, Cambridge and dissenting Anglican, who moved to Amsterdam to set up a free Baptist church there. Reared in the Church of England, he became “Puritan, English Separatist, and then a Baptist Separatist,” and ended his days working with the Mennonites. The idea rapidly spread among the growing congregation of dissident protestants gathering in England to shelter from persecution abroad. The term ‘Puritan’ was born to reflect the need to establish a true ‘pure’ church based on faith alone.
The local parish church is in a group of 5 village churches & the Sunday services are at a different church each week. It is the centre for lunches, the public library & various social activities. There are Christians involved.
From 1609 the idea that the established church could not be reformed and that a separate church institution was needed began to take root. The first act towards this was by John Smyth, a Fellow of Christ’s College, Cambridge and dissenting Anglican, who moved to Amsterdam to set up a free Baptist church there. Reared in the Church of England, he became “Puritan, English Separatist, and then a Baptist Separatist,” and ended his days working with the Mennonites. The idea rapidly spread among the growing congregation of dissident protestants gathering in England to shelter from persecution abroad. The term ‘Puritan’ was born to reflect the need to establish a true ‘pure’ church based on faith alone.
The local parish church is in a group of 5 village churches & the Sunday services are at a different church each week. It is the centre for lunches, the public library & various social activities. There are Christians involved.
Yes, I went on the web and found an Anglo-Catholic Church that was still calling the Eucharist - the mass.
I went to an Episcopal Service here in the State of California once which was very "Catholic".
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Luther's discovery of justification by faith
and his condemnation of James, Jude
and the author of Hebrews was brilliant.
I am awaiting a challenge.
But what else did Luther reform
in his transition from sacerdotal RCism to sacerdotal Lutheranism?
A false Christ is still worshipped before the second coming.
“Therefore if they say to you ....
‘Look, the Christ is in the inner rooms!’ - tabernacles
do not believe it. (Matthew 24:26).
Conqueror
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Baptists are known in the Netherlands as Doopsgezinden - Baptist-minded,
which nicely reflects that good conscience acquired in a previous regeneration (1 Peter 3:21).
BTW I have never been a Baptist, but I was born and raised there.
I am fascinated to know what your view of Church history is? When did the Church apostatize? When exactly did a Church full of “saved” Christians allow their faith to be hijacked and relaxed with a “false gospel”? Where where those bishops, deacons, and laity that had previously rejoiced in the opportunity for martyrdom that then left the counterfeit Church to start their own to retire the true gospel? Where are those achristians in History? If your pastor started preaching what you believed to be heresy you would leave, change congregations, or start a new one. Where where these people in history? Any examples before, say, 1400? I am fascinated to know how you see the historical record on this matter.
It seems to me that these examples don’t exist. It seems to me that any introduction of a false gospel (as you claim occurred) would have sent “real” Christians running from the false church as fast as they could.
Only one?... Brother Glen
Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Conqueror
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Only one?... Brother Glen
Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
The gazillion god-wafers are the only ones,
who fit into multiple inner rooms - tabernacles,
but that doesn't exclude other false Christs.
Conqueror
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Those who say; ‘Look, the Christ is in the inner rooms!’
- tabernacles (Matthew 24:26) cannot be brethren.
We regard no one according to the flesh (2 Corinthians 5:16),
but adherents of the Mother of Harlots and her daughters
have great difficulty in coming to Christ to receive life (John 5:40)
because of their harlotry with the wafer-god.
The question is why Anglican Evangelicals would want to be identified
with High-Anglicans who worship a false Christ before the second coming
and with the many Liberal Anglicans,
who attend without any real commitment to Christ.
I know this is about the Anglican Church but...
I am/was a cradle Catholic. I received the sacraments Baptism, Eucharist, Confirmation by the time I went into the military.
While reading the Bible (In the Gospel of John) I found the living Christ (actually He found me).
I have no doubt whatsoever that I was saved. Absolutely nothing I had ever experienced in the Church of Rome was such as being born of the Spirit.
My eyes and ears were opened.
However I had many grave clothes and went back to the RCC and the sacerdotal priesthood for discipleship..
Over the course of approximately two years I was able to throw off the grave clothes via the Spirit of Christ of course.
In spite of tutelage of the papal priesthood with the hopes that I would join them I was freed.
Actually they could not or would not answer my questions with the truth.
I came to the conclusion that they knew the truth but denied it (salvation through grace by faith alone).
I believe there are many as I was but unable to free themselves from "the wafer god".
Do you know of such? Pray, gently help.
At least they have the earthly treasure, The Holy Spirit within.
Conqueror
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It took me about 23 years to get out after calling on His name,
during that period I came to rely more and more on Him.
He then called me to a bible college while still a Roman Catholic,
where I heard 'justification by faith' for the first time
and that scripture was a primary source.
Not long after I made a commitment
to only be guided by Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
That is when my life really changed.
That false Christ who dwells in those inner rooms - tabernacles (Matthew 24:26)
is an impediment, for they falsely think to be in touch with Christ already.
However Jesus is the Saviour for those who call on Him
or turn to Him for life (John 5:40),
the powerful presence of the Holy Spirit
How wonderful Conqueror.
Look at the laity as victims, the RCC hierarchy is/are the perpetrators.The priests a wolf pack.
I was tutored by Jesuits, a particularly evil group and haters of God's biblical truth though they contain scientists, mathematicians, doctors, theologians, PhD's...
Some are better than others.
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