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The Jesuit Origins of Futurism

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robycop3

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church mouse guy said:
You just don't want to comment on:

Revelation 20:4 (KJV) And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
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Of course he doesn't. Seems like this gent is a closet preterist. That's one of the verses that proves preterism false, & prets avoid it like a dose of ebola.
 
1689Dave

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robycop3 said:
Yes, there WILL be a physical millenium, as Scripture sez, and David's throne is still here on earth. There's NO Scripture saying Jesus took David's throne to heaven with Him when He departed earth. And jesus did NOT occupy it while he was here.

And Jesus is NOT ruling earth from heaven now, as is evidenced by the prevalence of sin & false religion worldwide.\

Dave, you really need to pay closer attention to SCRIPTURE & give no heed to some private interp some dingbat wrote about it. Only SCRIPTURE ITSELF is absolutely-correct.
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Do you believe the Jesuits were right? According to Larkin and Schaff?
 
1689Dave

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church mouse guy said:
You just don't want to comment on:

Revelation 20:4 (KJV) And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
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As I said, the 1000 years is a symbol for Satan's binding. It is not the Kingdom. Satan attacks the kingdom when loosed. The saints do the binding under the same 1000 year symbol as they preach the gospel to the nations.
 
church mouse guy

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1689Dave said:
As I said, the 1000 years is a symbol for Satan's binding. It is not the Kingdom. Satan attacks the kingdom when loosed. The saints do the binding under the same 1000 year symbol as they preach the gospel to the nations.
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Don't you want to be with Jesus in Jerusalem for a thousand years?
 
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1689Dave said:
As I said, the 1000 years is a symbol for Satan's binding. It is not the Kingdom. Satan attacks the kingdom when loosed. The saints do the binding under the same 1000 year symbol as they preach the gospel to the nations.
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When satan is really bound, there will be no more false religions/cults around, as he will not be able to deceive any mor. When did that happen?
 
TCassidy

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1689Dave said:
Do you believe the Jesuits were right?
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This has already been disproved. The Futurist position dates back to OT times and is mentioned, directly, in the New Testament.

It won't work to wait a couple days then state the same false information again. The Jesuit source of Futurism has already been proven to be a lie.
 
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TCassidy said:
This has already been disproved. The Futurist position dates back to OT times and is mentioned, directly, in the New Testament.

It won't work to wait a couple days then state the same false information again. The Jesuit source of Futurism has already been proven to be a lie.
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Many of the ECF held to a form of futurist premil, so how did they get it from the Jesuits before they even existed?
 
1689Dave

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Yeshua1 said:
Many of the ECF held to a form of futurist premil, so how did they get it from the Jesuits before they even existed?
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I think it is more important that the the Jesuits built on Premillennialism. Historic "premills" did not insert a gap into Daniel. So their futurism was in looking for a physical kingdom.
 
1689Dave

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Yeshua1 said:
Nope, as its the time when Jesus reigns here upon the earth, and THEN he turns it over to the Father, and then the Eternal State!
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Jesus is reigning now (God rules all and Jesus is God). When he returns we enter the New Heavens and Earth.
 
1689Dave

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church mouse guy said:
Don't you want to be with Jesus in Jerusalem for a thousand years?
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With sickness and death? Animal sacrifices and a return to the Old Covenant? BTW, if flesh and blood cannot enter the Kingdom of God, that leaves only saints in glorified bodies to offer these sacrifices. And For Satan to deceive when "loosed"......
 
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1689Dave said:
I think it is more important that the the Jesuits built on Premillennialism. Historic "premills" did not insert a gap into Daniel. So their futurism was in looking for a physical kingdom.
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They looked for the Kingdom to be set up when Jesus returned!
 
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1689Dave said:
With sickness and death? Animal sacrifices and a return to the Old Covenant? BTW, if flesh and blood cannot enter the Kingdom of God, that leaves only saints in glorified bodies to offer these sacrifices. And For Satan to deceive when "loosed"......
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I was stating that the Age of messiah will be animals no longer feasting on each other, no more wars, famines, diosease, false religions...
 
1689Dave

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Yeshua1 said:
I was stating that the Age of messiah will be animals no longer feasting on each other, no more wars, famines, diosease, false religions...
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But the "Millennium" has animal sacrifices and a return to Old Covenant laws.
 
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