1689Dave
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This is not what Ezekiel says.
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The Jesuit Origins of Futurism
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No, its that the earth as Paradise restored first, and then the eternal state!
1689Dave
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The universe explodes as Peter says. And the New Heavens and Earth emerge.
After the Millinium!
1689Dave
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There is no millennium with a return to animal sacrifices. Plagued with sin and death and carnal delights based on legalistic obedience to law.
Jesus reigns now (God rules the universe. Jesus is God). And when he returns he resurrects or raptures us into the new heavens and earth.
1689Dave
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Premillennialism and the futurism of the Jesuits are similar but not the same. The Premillinnialists did not force a gap into Daniel. The Jesuits did. But what is interesting is that they chose premillennialism to promote their agenda.
Don't you want to be with Jesus for a thousand years? Why would there be animal sacrifices with Jesus living in Jerusalem?
1689Dave
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This is what the Jesuits teach. And what futurists believe. I don't believe there will be a millennium, just the restoration of Israel into the New Heavens and Earth in the resurrection on the last day.
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Historic Premillennialism
By Wick Broomall
Dispensational Premillennialism and classic Historic Premillennialism are two very different systems of
eschatology:
1. Older Premillennialism taught that the church was in the fore-vision of the Old Testament prophecy;
Dispensationalism teaches that the church is hardly, if at all, in the Old Testament prophets.
2. Older Premillennialism taught that the great burden of Old Testament prophecy was the coming of Christ
to die (at the First Advent) and the kingdom age (at the Second Advent). Dispensationalism says that the
great burden of Old Testament prophecy is the kingdom of the Jews.
3. Older Premillennialism taught that the First Advent was the specific time for Christ to die for man's sin;
Dispensationalism teaches that the kingdom (earthly) should have been set up at the First Advent for that was
the predicted time of its coming.
4. Older Premillennialism taught that the present age of grace was designed by God and predicted in the Old
Testament; Dispensationalism holds that the present age was unforeseen in the Old Testament and thus is a
"great parenthesis" introduced because the Jews rejected the kingdom.
5. Older Premillennialism taught that one may divide time in any way desirable so long as one allows for a
millennium after the Second Advent; Dispensationalism maintains that the only allowable way to divide time
is in seven dispensations. The present age is the sixth such dispensation; the last one will be the millennial
age after the Second Advent. It is from this division of time that Dispensationalism gets its name.
6. Older Premillennialism taught that the Second Advent was to be one event; Dispensationalism holds that
the Second Advent will be in two sections - "the Rapture" and "the Revelation." Between these two events
they put the (to them) unfulfilled seventieth week (seven years) of Daniel 9:23-27, which they call "the Great
Tribulation."
6. Older Premillennialism taught that certain signs must precede the Second Advent; Dispensationalism
teaches that no sign precedes the "rapture-stage" of the Second Advent, which may occur "at any moment."
However, there are signs that precede the "revelation-stage" of the Second Advent. The "Rapture" could
occur "at any moment," but the "Revelation" must take place after the seven years of the Great Tribulation.
The first stage is undated and unannounced; the second stage is dated and announced.
7. Older Premillennialism had two resurrections-the righteous before the Millennium; the unrighteous after
the Millennium. Dispensationalism has introduced a third resurrection - "tribulation-saints" at the
"revelation-stage" of the Second Advent.
8. Older Premillennialism usually held what is called the "historical symbolic" view of the book of
Revelation. This view makes Revelation a picture in symbolic form of the main events in the present age.
Dispensationalism holds generally to the "futurist" view of the book of Revelation, which view makes almost
the whole book (especially chapters 4 to 19) a literal description of events to take place during "the Great
Tribulation" or Daniel's seventieth week, which Dispensationalism considers as yet unfulfilled.
9. The general attitude of older Premillennialism was on the whole mild and reverent in its approach to
Scripture. There have been some outstanding scholars who have been persuaded that the premillennial is the
correct view. In contrast, Dispensationalism has assumed a far more dogmatic attitude. It has introduced a
number of novelties in prophetic interpretation that the church never heard of until about a century ago.
By Wick Broomall
Dispensational Premillennialism and classic Historic Premillennialism are two very different systems of
eschatology:
1. Older Premillennialism taught that the church was in the fore-vision of the Old Testament prophecy;
Dispensationalism teaches that the church is hardly, if at all, in the Old Testament prophets.
2. Older Premillennialism taught that the great burden of Old Testament prophecy was the coming of Christ
to die (at the First Advent) and the kingdom age (at the Second Advent). Dispensationalism says that the
great burden of Old Testament prophecy is the kingdom of the Jews.
3. Older Premillennialism taught that the First Advent was the specific time for Christ to die for man's sin;
Dispensationalism teaches that the kingdom (earthly) should have been set up at the First Advent for that was
the predicted time of its coming.
4. Older Premillennialism taught that the present age of grace was designed by God and predicted in the Old
Testament; Dispensationalism holds that the present age was unforeseen in the Old Testament and thus is a
"great parenthesis" introduced because the Jews rejected the kingdom.
5. Older Premillennialism taught that one may divide time in any way desirable so long as one allows for a
millennium after the Second Advent; Dispensationalism maintains that the only allowable way to divide time
is in seven dispensations. The present age is the sixth such dispensation; the last one will be the millennial
age after the Second Advent. It is from this division of time that Dispensationalism gets its name.
6. Older Premillennialism taught that the Second Advent was to be one event; Dispensationalism holds that
the Second Advent will be in two sections - "the Rapture" and "the Revelation." Between these two events
they put the (to them) unfulfilled seventieth week (seven years) of Daniel 9:23-27, which they call "the Great
Tribulation."
6. Older Premillennialism taught that certain signs must precede the Second Advent; Dispensationalism
teaches that no sign precedes the "rapture-stage" of the Second Advent, which may occur "at any moment."
However, there are signs that precede the "revelation-stage" of the Second Advent. The "Rapture" could
occur "at any moment," but the "Revelation" must take place after the seven years of the Great Tribulation.
The first stage is undated and unannounced; the second stage is dated and announced.
7. Older Premillennialism had two resurrections-the righteous before the Millennium; the unrighteous after
the Millennium. Dispensationalism has introduced a third resurrection - "tribulation-saints" at the
"revelation-stage" of the Second Advent.
8. Older Premillennialism usually held what is called the "historical symbolic" view of the book of
Revelation. This view makes Revelation a picture in symbolic form of the main events in the present age.
Dispensationalism holds generally to the "futurist" view of the book of Revelation, which view makes almost
the whole book (especially chapters 4 to 19) a literal description of events to take place during "the Great
Tribulation" or Daniel's seventieth week, which Dispensationalism considers as yet unfulfilled.
9. The general attitude of older Premillennialism was on the whole mild and reverent in its approach to
Scripture. There have been some outstanding scholars who have been persuaded that the premillennial is the
correct view. In contrast, Dispensationalism has assumed a far more dogmatic attitude. It has introduced a
number of novelties in prophetic interpretation that the church never heard of until about a century ago.
So if Revelation does teach the Blessed Hope and a thousand years, would you want to be with Jesus in Jerusalem? Or would you not?
1689Dave
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Revelation does not teach this. Jesus said his kingdom comes WITHOUT OBSERVATION. You say it does. Who am I to believe?
Right, I got your hermanuetics. My question is what if?
Who cares what the Jesuits teach? This is just another one of your smoke screens.
No, it's not. I am a futurist and I don't believe any such nonsense.
The first three words sum it all up. You read "they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years" but you don't believe it.
1689Dave
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Larkin said futurism existed before the Jesuit version. So he agrees with you. But I'll post this again showing there is more to it than what you suggest. Please read carefully.Who cares what the Jesuits teach? This is just another one of your smoke screens.
No, it's not. I am a futurist and I don't believe any such nonsense.
The first three words sum it all up. You read "they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years" but you don't believe it.
Historic Premillennialism [VS Dispensationalism]
By Wick Broomall
Dispensational Premillennialism and classic Historic Premillennialism are two very different systems of eschatology:
1. Older Premillennialism taught that the church was in the fore-vision of the Old Testament prophecy;
Dispensationalism teaches that the church is hardly, if at all, in the Old Testament prophets.
2. Older Premillennialism taught that the great burden of Old Testament prophecy was the coming of Christ
to die (at the First Advent) and the kingdom age (at the Second Advent). Dispensationalism says that the
great burden of Old Testament prophecy is the kingdom of the Jews.
3. Older Premillennialism taught that the First Advent was the specific time for Christ to die for man's sin;
Dispensationalism teaches that the kingdom (earthly) should have been set up at the First Advent for that was
the predicted time of its coming.
4. Older Premillennialism taught that the present age of grace was designed by God and predicted in the Old
Testament; Dispensationalism holds that the present age was unforeseen in the Old Testament and thus is a
"great parenthesis" introduced because the Jews rejected the kingdom.
5. Older Premillennialism taught that one may divide time in any way desirable so long as one allows for a
millennium after the Second Advent; Dispensationalism maintains that the only allowable way to divide time
is in seven dispensations. The present age is the sixth such dispensation; the last one will be the millennial
age after the Second Advent. It is from this division of time that Dispensationalism gets its name.
6. Older Premillennialism taught that the Second Advent was to be one event; Dispensationalism holds that
the Second Advent will be in two sections - "the Rapture" and "the Revelation." Between these two events
they put the (to them) unfulfilled seventieth week (seven years) of Daniel 9:23-27, which they call "the Great
Tribulation."
6. Older Premillennialism taught that certain signs must precede the Second Advent; Dispensationalism
teaches that no sign precedes the "rapture-stage" of the Second Advent, which may occur "at any moment."
However, there are signs that precede the "revelation-stage" of the Second Advent. The "Rapture" could
occur "at any moment," but the "Revelation" must take place after the seven years of the Great Tribulation.
The first stage is undated and unannounced; the second stage is dated and announced.
7. Older Premillennialism had two resurrections-the righteous before the Millennium; the unrighteous after
the Millennium. Dispensationalism has introduced a third resurrection - "tribulation-saints" at the
"revelation-stage" of the Second Advent.
8. Older Premillennialism usually held what is called the "historical symbolic" view of the book of
Revelation. This view makes Revelation a picture in symbolic form of the main events in the present age.
Dispensationalism holds generally to the "futurist" view of the book of Revelation, which view makes almost
the whole book (especially chapters 4 to 19) a literal description of events to take place during "the Great
Tribulation" or Daniel's seventieth week, which Dispensationalism considers as yet unfulfilled.
9. The general attitude of older Premillennialism was on the whole mild and reverent in its approach to
Scripture. There have been some outstanding scholars who have been persuaded that the premillennial is the
correct view. In contrast, Dispensationalism has assumed a far more dogmatic attitude. It has introduced a
number of novelties in prophetic interpretation that the church never heard of until about a century ago.
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1689Dave
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You are adding to Revelation if you make the kingdom physical after Jesus says it is not.
1689Dave
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This is not false. It is history. Both Larkin and Schaff say you are wrong. And Wick Broomall confirms it. It is up for all to read. Let them be the judge.
So your final authority is Larkin, Schaff, and Broomall? Their writings are inspired? Inerrant? Are you a man follower?
1689Dave
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Where do you find contemporary history in scripture?
Or more curiously, why do you answer a question with a question?
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