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The Jesuit Origins of Futurism

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1689Dave

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That's gnostocism.
“But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. Or else how can one enter into a strong man’s house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.” (Matthew 12:28–29)
 

Yeshua1

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Are we judging if we call Hitler a murderer? If there is no basis in scripture for doing what we do in church, where does it come from?
But most of what you object to would fall under preferences/convictions, not outright sinning!
 

Yeshua1

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The Kingdom of God was present there in Jesus, and also present in the saved people of God on earth, but the fulness will be over all people at His second coming.
 

Yeshua1

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“But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. Or else how can one enter into a strong man’s house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.” (Matthew 12:28–29)
You cannot just get all theology on this from jesus, as he gave to us his Apostles with further revealtions also!
 

1689Dave

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But most of what you object to would fall under preferences/convictions, not outright sinning!
I think worship should be limited to what is set forth in scripture. Think of Nadab and Elihu offering strange fire and the consequences. God seeks worship in Spirit and in truth. I've yet to hear truth in contemporary Christian worship. Not saying it does not exists, just that I've yet to hear it.
 

1689Dave

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The Kingdom of God was present there in Jesus, and also present in the saved people of God on earth, but the fulness will be over all people at His second coming.
Yes, and this results in the New Heavens and Earth, not some carnal physical millennium of earthly delight.
 

1689Dave

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You cannot just get all theology on this from jesus, as he gave to us his Apostles with further revealtions also!
But they were all Amillennial. Not one mentioned the Jewish idea of a millennium fostered by Premillinnialists.
 

Yeshua1

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I think worship should be limited to what is set forth in scripture. Think of Nadab and Elihu offering strange fire and the consequences. God seeks worship in Spirit and in truth. I've yet to hear truth in contemporary Christian worship. Not saying it does not exists, just that I've yet to hear it.
So no Songs ever written after the Bible were spiritual in nature? No luther, Bach, Watts etc?
 

Yeshua1

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But they were all Amillennial. Not one mentioned the Jewish idea of a millennium fostered by Premillinnialists.
Except that John gave to us that pesky literal time of rule that you just always spiritualize away!
 

1689Dave

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Except that John gave to us that pesky literal time of rule that you just always spiritualize away!
What if you force a literal interpretation on a passage not meant to be read that way, just because you can take it literally?

If Jesus says the kingdom is spiritual, and you make Revelation 20 literal. you not only took away from the book. you added to it.
 
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