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The Jesuit Origins of Futurism

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by 1689Dave, Aug 30, 2018.

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    “But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. Or else how can one enter into a strong man’s house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.” (Matthew 12:28–29)
     
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    But most of what you object to would fall under preferences/convictions, not outright sinning!
     
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    The Kingdom of God was present there in Jesus, and also present in the saved people of God on earth, but the fulness will be over all people at His second coming.
     
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    You cannot just get all theology on this from jesus, as he gave to us his Apostles with further revealtions also!
     
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    I think worship should be limited to what is set forth in scripture. Think of Nadab and Elihu offering strange fire and the consequences. God seeks worship in Spirit and in truth. I've yet to hear truth in contemporary Christian worship. Not saying it does not exists, just that I've yet to hear it.
     
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    Yes, and this results in the New Heavens and Earth, not some carnal physical millennium of earthly delight.
     
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    But they were all Amillennial. Not one mentioned the Jewish idea of a millennium fostered by Premillinnialists.
     
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    So no Songs ever written after the Bible were spiritual in nature? No luther, Bach, Watts etc?
     
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    We are not talking about theMuslim afterlife, but the Kingdom of Jesus christ here upon the Earth!
     
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    Except that John gave to us that pesky literal time of rule that you just always spiritualize away!
     
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    I don't feel comfortable going beyond scripture in worship.
     
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    So your answer would be NO, correct?
     
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    What if you force a literal interpretation on a passage not meant to be read that way, just because you can take it literally?

    If Jesus says the kingdom is spiritual, and you make Revelation 20 literal. you not only took away from the book. you added to it.
     
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    I don't go beyond scripture worshiping God. And shun churches that do.
     
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    John doesn't contradict Jesus who said the kingdom is spiritual.
     
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    So those of us that do worhip with the Classic Hymnals and contemporary worship songs are siinning before God?
     
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    Yes, it can also be manifested in a physical form also!
     
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    But it is not. You are adding to Revelation if you make the kingdom physical after Jesus defined it as spiritual.
     
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    I think a simpler type of worship is more biblical.
     
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    So we would be sinning then before god every Sunday?
     
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