Unlimited Atonement

Maybe.

 

Scripture cannot go against scripture; so when I read this below:

John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day

Then we must be reading those verses in Revelation wrong.

In Strong's Concordance on what looks like the two Greek words that "not" was derived from in Revelation 3:5 is a double negative. That means Christ Jesus would never do that to any unrepentant believer that did not heed the warning or exhortation.

Also, all the verses that starts with "He that overcometh," I am led to believe that "He" is Jesus Christ in what He will do for that believer that did not heed His warning or exhortation, depending to which church the believer finds himself as identified with, then that is what Jesus Christ as the Overcomer, will do for that unrepentant believer. If you look at all the verses at the end of each church's addresses in Revelation 2nd and 3rd chapters, the rewards are not for the chosen living in the city of God, but for those saints that got left behind and resurrected after the great tribulation when Christ has already returned to earth.

So a believer's name cannot be blotted out of the Book of life, but his part can be taken away out of the Book of life which is what? The believer's part is his place in the city of God. That means saved believers that are found in iniquity or do the sin of that verse, risk having their inheritance in the city of God taken away and that means he can be left behind at the rapture.

Hence the call to every believer, and even former believers still with His seal to depart from iniquity to avoid being disqualified in becoming castaways only to be received later on as vessels unto dishonor in His House after the great tribulation.

2 Timothy 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. 19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

We can trust Jesus Christ in being faithful in keeping the souls of His unrepentant saints left behind.

1 Peter 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? 19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.

 

ALL who are saved will go in the rapture, as their obedience refers to their eternal rewards, not to their eternal state!
As tehm miossing the Rapture seems to be the heresy Millinual Exclusion, which is a bannable offense!

 

I would prefer to go with what scripture actually says than on what Calvin has expounded upon.

1 Timothy 4:9 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation. 10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe. 11 These things command and teach.

That verse from your OP has designated how that unlimited atonement given to all was applied; especially to those that believe.

It says right in that same verse. Those who do not believe, it is written that they are condemned already, so unlimited atonement has not been applied yet to those that do not believe in Him.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

 

Jesus cannot be the SDavior is the exact same sense for both the lost and the saved!

 

Excuse me? That was not in the rules that I had read when joining the forum. Was that in tiny print somewhere?

And scripture plainly warns the consequence to one church in Revelation for not repenting of their fornication.

Revelation 2:21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. 22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. 23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works. 24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden. 25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

Now how am I reading His words wrong? The consequence for not repenting is being left behind into the bed of the coming great tribulation. There are plenty of other warnings given by Jesus to believers to be ready.

So it stands to reasons that there has to be consequences for not heeding His call to be ready, now is there?

 

I wasn't saying that. I applied His words that His atonement can save everybody but it only applies to those that believes in Him.

 

The theology is Millimium Exclusion, and is something not to be expounded upon here.

 

God only intended it to save his own Elect!

 

Please post link to said rule, and it better explain what that "Millennium Exclusion" means because getting ready for the pre great trib rapture has nothing to do with excluding any believer from the millennium. Maybe you are misreading what I am posting about.

 

I just wanted to alert you to that was not allowed here. If you are saying a really saved personmisses thre Rapture, then they will miss the millinium, as not resurrected, correct?

 

I am trying to understand what you are saying, but I will explain what I believe.

There is a rapture BEFORE the great tribulation. After the great tribulation, and after the world's armies has been defeated and Satan thrown in the pit for a thousand years, then those unrepentant saints & former believers left behind and new saints that have been killed during the great tribulation will be resurrected to serve the King of kings from all over the world in the millennium reign in raising up the coming generations in the knowledge of Jesus Christ. That is why they are not living in the city of God, but representing the city of God as they reign with Christ as kings and priests from their places all over the world.

The pre great rapture saints will be living in the city of God. They will be like the angels that never die; That means they do not need to eat from the tree of life, but those coming out of the great tribulation do.

So no believer is excluded from the millennium reign of Christ so I do not see how that can apply to whatever Millennium Exclusion means. Never heard of it until today.

 

But you do divide Christians, the faithful to be in Heaven andthose others who missed rapture here upon the earth forever,. correct?

 

Not believing in some premillennial escapist rapture has nothing to do with advocating the doctrines of Millennial Exclusion. I don 't think he even knows what you are talking about, you either for that matter.

 

The verse says" overcometh the world... will not be blotted out." A believers name will not be blotted out. One who rejects, whose name was in the Book WILL be blotted out. It is as it says BOOK of LIFE not a list of redeemed.
It will be the almost same when all is finished. Those who reject will be removed.

 

Scripture has Jesus dividing Christians at the church at Thyatira in Revelation if they do not repent. Didn't Revelation just proved that to you? I had asked you how was I reading that wrong?

Revelation 2:21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. 22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. 23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works. 24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden. 25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

Look at this warning given to believers;

Luke 12:40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not. 41 Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all? 42 And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season? 43 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. 44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath. 45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; 46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. 47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more. 49 I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?

Those that did not heed His warnings were cut off to have their portions with unbelievers ( hence their part taken away from living in the city of God In Heaven, BUT they were still called His servants as they shall receive stripes per the knowledge for not preparing themselves.

Remember this judgment from Jesus?

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Any iniquity that a believer has not repented of that is still on that foundation is the same thing as denying Him.

Titus 1:6 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

2 Timothy 2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

That is why the call to depart from iniquity is being given even to former believers because they still have His seal if they wish to be received as a vessel unto honor in His House when the Bridegroom comes at the pre great trib rapture event, otherwise:

2 Timothy 2:13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.........18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. 19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

That is why God is coming to judge His House first as the Bridegroom and then later on He will judge the world as King of kings.

 

Romasn 8:31-39 states that ALL who are saved period will go in the Rapture, or else be resurrected unto glorification at second coming event, correct? God does not have hte super siants get raised now, and the normal ones get it later?

 

Perhaps i am indeed ignorant to what that really means, please teach me on this, as I only heard Charles Stanley ever teach on it nefore!