Featured Who has the authority to Baptise?

Of course not.

Absolutely not.

And never, before God.

The Lord's churches by any other name have never accepted 'alien Baptism', as a Scriptural answer to The Command of God, to 'Baptise'.

God has Chosen to Protect His churches by The Administration of Baptism.

True Baptists Baptise "Believers" for one thing.

Squire mentioned various factions of 'Reformed' proponents and so WHAT IS THE WAY of SALVATION that "If a non Baptist Reformed minister" had performed a dunking of someone and the ASSURANCE of SALVATION the Baptises would be asked to 'recognize', that "THAT WAY" of Salvation has any validity??

If an individual comes to a True Baptist Believing church with a testimony that they would like to Scripturally Follow The Lord in Baptism, they would be, in so many words, "Re-Baptised", by Authority of God Given The New Testament Model of churches ( although, it is actually their FIRST Time being Baptised)



The SCRIPTURAL BAPTISM of The Churches Jesus Built
8. 6 The SCRIPTURAL BAPTISM of The Churches Jesus Built - 8. THE GODHEAD in HIS CHURCHES.

 

The One body, the Bride, the Firstborn Church of Christ!

 

30 A.D.> Jesus Established HIS CHURCHES During Jesus' Time in His Ministry on Earth.

(1) The church's Head and Founder is Jesus Christ (Matthew 16:18; Colossians 1:18).
(2) Its only rule of faith and practice is the Bible (II Timothy 3:15-17).
(3) Its members are to be only saved people (Acts 2:41).
(4) Its government is congregational (Acts 1:23-26 - equality).
(5) Its teaching on salvation is that it is by grace (Ephesians 2:8-9).
(6) It has but two ordinances; Baptism and the Lord's Supper, and these are symbolic (Matthew 28:19-20; I Corinthians 11:24).
(7) Its commission is inclusive (Matthew 28:16-20).
(8) It is independent (Matthew 16:19; Matthew 22:21).

"Wherever, in history, in whatever age, you find churches teaching these doctrines, you have a Baptist church, no matter what name it may go by.

"It matters not if we cannot, from church to church, trace it back to the First Baptist Church of Jerusalem.

"The succession is there but records may hinder or stop our search. What it teaches is the important thing. Jesus said the gates of hell would not prevail against His church so He guaranteed perpetuity."

8. 5.2: 30 A.D.> Jesus Established HIS CHURCHES During Jesus' Time in His Ministry on Earth - 8. THE GODHEAD in HIS CHURCHES.

 

So ONLY Baptist ministers and Elders are recognized by God and the congregation has being duly authorized to preach, teach, and administer the ordinances?

 

The One body,

The church at Corinth was "the body and members in particular", just like ever other usage of the word, 'body' in The New Testament, having to do with Jesus' body. Every time, they are congregations. 1 Corinthians 12:27*

the Bride,

The Bride of Christ is made up of Faithful Witnesses and Followers of Jesus who have been led of the Spirit to Follow The Lord in Scriptural Baptism and remain Faithful to His church, by Loving her, as Jesus did.**

The Special Spiritual Relationship between The Lord and His Bride RESULTS IN...??? Offspring. Children of God who have been brought to The Lord under a Pure Gospel and who may BE TAUGHT To WORSHIP The Lord and...??? PRODUCE MORE CHILDREN of GOD and churches to...?? WORSHIP THE SON of GOD.

And, by the way, they can be seen sometimes as easily as "looking on a Sunday that falls on December 25th".

Is THAT "HOUSE of GOD" 'DEDICATED to THE WORSHIP of GOD'S SON JESUS' ... O...P...E...N...?? on His "birthday"?, or whatever The World calls it????


Church of The Firstborn in a follow-up post



*
BAPTIZED INTNE BODY
“For by One Spirit
are we all ( led to be ) Baptized
into one body ( a ‘local” assembly )
Now you are the body of Christ,
and members in particular”
[1 Corinthians 12:13, 27.].

***

Verse 27 of this quotation tells

what kind of body is meant in verse 13:

the kind of which the church at Corinth

was an example.

I Corinthians 1:13-17

shows what kind of baptism is meant:

namely baptism in water.

In fact, there is only one kind of baptism

recognized in the New Testament as an ordinance of Christ:

"One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism"

Ephesians 4:5
All other so-called baptisms are figurative or symbolic,

deriving their significance from this baptizing in water

to declare the death, burial and resurrection of Christ

and all that this means to us.

...

Almost all Christians recognize baptism,

or some substitute for it that they call baptism,

as sprinkling or pouring, as a 'church' ordinance

( albeit an un-Scriptural 'Baptism' in a false 'church') .

...

But if it is a church ordinance,

then there must always have been churches

to administer the ordinance.

...

If the church to which Jesus Entrusted

the church ordinance of Baptism

passed out of existence as an institution,

then the ordinance lapsed with the church,

and nowhere in the Bible is anyone Authorized by God

to start up Baptising again.



**
“You also
are become dead to the law
by the Body of Christ;
that you should
be Married to Another,
even to Him
Who is Raised from the Dead”
[Romans 7:4].

“Husbands, love your wives,
even as Christ also
loved the church,
and Gave Himself for It”
[Ephesians 5:25 -- read on through verse 32].

***

These and other Scriptures compare

the spiritual relationship of Christ and His church

to the human marriage relationship.

...

That the “wedding” is still future is shown

by Matthew 22:1-3; 25:1-13; and Revelation 21:2.

...

Was our Lord at any time betrothed to a dead bride?

...

After He Gave Himself for her,

that He might Sanctify and Cleanse her

by the Washing of water in the Word,

that He might Present her to Himself in Glory

— after all this,

was there ever a time

when nowhere on Earth could be found a church

that could be truly called His Bride?

...

Was there ever a time when the only “Christianity” on Earth

was the religion of A spiritual WHORE

and her harlot DAUGHTERS?

Perish the thought!

But if it be so, what are all the FALSE 'churches' today

but WHORES and offspring of harlots?

 

This would be "The church of The Firstborn".

Hebrews 12:2 Looking unto Jesus, the Author and Finisher of our faith, Who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
3 For consider Him that endured such contradiction of sinners against Himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds......

18 For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,
19 And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words, which voice they that heard entreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more.
20 (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a spear {dart}.
21 And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake.)
22 But ye are come unto Mount Zion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
23 To the general assembly and church of the first-born, who are written in heaven, and to God, the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
24 And to Jesus, the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

Gill on "For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched",

a physical Temple

22 "But ye are come unto Mount Zion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
23 To the general assembly and church of the first-born, who are written in heaven, and to God, the Judge of all,

Gill on 18: The design of the apostle in the following words is, in general, to engage the Hebrews to adhere closely to the Gospel, from the consideration of the superior excellency of it to the law; and in particular, to enforce his former exhortations to cheerfulness under afflictions; to an upright walk in the ways of God; to follow peace with all men, even with the Gentiles, and holiness both of heart and life; and to value the doctrine of the Gospel; and to take heed that none fail of it, or act unbecoming it: and here the apostle observes, what the believing Hebrews were not come to, being delivered from it, namely, the legal dispensation, which was their privilege; the happiness of which as expressed by a detail of particular circumstances, which attended the giving of the law to the Jews: it was given on a "mount which might be touched"; that is, by God, who descended on it, and by, touching it caused it to smoke, quake, and move, ( Exodus 19:18 ) . Compare with, ( Psalms 68:8 ) ( 104:32 ) ( 144:5 ) for it was not to be touched by the Israelites, nor by their cattle, ( Exodus 19:12 Exodus 19:13 ) , that is, at the time that the law was given, and Jehovah was upon it, otherwise it might be touched; and the meaning is, that it was an earthly mountain, that might be approached to, and be seen and felt, and not of a spiritual nature, as Sion, or the church of God; and so may be expressive of the carnality of the law, and also of the movableness of it:

Gill on 22 Mount Sion:

"But ye are come"; which may seem to favour that interpretation of this passage, which refers it to the heavenly state; to which saints, in this present life, are not, as yet, come: but, by "Mount Sion", and the other names here given, is meant the church of God, under the Gospel dispensation, to which the believing Hebrews were come; in distinction from the legal dispensation, signified by Mount Sinai, from which they were delivered: and this is called Mount Sion, because, like that, it is beloved of God; chosen by him; and is the place of his habitation; here his worship is, and his word and ordinances are administered; here he communes with his people, and distributes his blessings and this, as Mount Sion, is a perfection of beauty the joy of the whole earth; is strongly fortified by divine power, and is immovable; and is comparable to that mountain, for its height and holiness: and to come to Sion is to become a member of a Gospel church, and partake of the ordinances, enjoy the privileges, and perform the duties belonging to it:

Gill on "the city of the living God:

the Gospel church is a city, built on Christ, the foundation; and is full of habitants, true believers, at least it will be, in the latter day; it is pleasantly situated by the river of God's love, and by the still waters of Gospel ordinances; it is governed by wholesome laws, of Christ's enacting, and is under proper officers, of his appointing; and is well guarded by watchmen, which he has set upon the walls of it; and it is endowed with many privileges, as access to God, freedom from the arrests of justice, and from condemnation, adoption, and a right to the heavenly inheritance: and this may be called "the city of God", because it is of his building, and here he dwells, and protects, and defends it; and who is styled "the living God", to distinguish him from the idols of the Gentiles, which are lifeless and inanimate, no other than sticks and stones.


Gill on "The heavenly Jerusalem":

the church of God goes by the name of Jerusalem often, both in the Old and in the New Testament; with which it agrees in its name, which signifies the vision of peace, or they shall see peace: Christ, the King of it, is the Prince of peace; the members of it are sons of peace, who enjoy a spiritual peace now, and an everlasting one hereafter: like that, it is compact together, consisting of saints, cemented together in love, in the order and fellowship of the Gospel; and is well fortified, God himself, and his power, being all around it, and having salvation, for walls and bulwarks, and being encamped about by angels; and it is a free city, being made so by Christ, and, through him, enjoying the liberty of grace now, and having a title to the liberty of glory in the world to come; as Jerusalem was, it is the object of God's choice, the palace of the great King, and the place of divine worship: it is called "heavenly", to distinguish it from the earthly Jerusalem; and to express the excellency of it, as well as to point out its original: the members of it are from heaven, being born from above; their conversation is now in heaven; and they are designed for that place; and its doctrines and ordinances are all from thence.

Gill on "To the general assembly and church of the first-born, who are written in heaven,"

is meant the church of God, under the Gospel dispensation, to which the believing Hebrews were come; in distinction from the legal dispensation, signified by Mount Sinai, from which they were delivered:

 

There is a God.

There is a Bible.

There are churches of The Lord Jesus Christ, as defined by God in The Bible.

Are you saying you would like to ask God to see Him Describe the Way God is, God's Bible is, and The Lord's Scripturally Organized churches with The Authority of God to Baptise?

That would involve God and hermeneutics regarding The Bible and Jesus' churches which are Fulfillments of Old Testament Prophecy and have everything to do with Jesus Christ's First Advent to Earth during His Earthly Ministry.

If you want to begin with The Advent of Western Christianity initiated by Martin Luther and continued by Huldrych Zwingli, John Calvin and other Protestant Reformers in 16th-century Europe, you can forget ever seeing her.

They felt led of God to slaughter True Baptist Followers of Jesus who 'Re-Baptised' their people, in Congregations of Jesus churches, didn't they?

When you are talking 'Authority', you can talk, 'duly authorized' by finite, carnal, men and women, in their flesh, without Biblical Foundation, or you can talk, "Bible".

Learn "Bible", if you are Blessed by God to do so and ask HIM for The Authority of God THAT THE VIRGIN BORN SON OF GOD WALKED 40 MILES to RECIEVE from JOHN the BAPTIST,

"There was a man sent from God, whose name was John". John 1:6

This is what you are asking me;
do you want to ask Jesus to Tell you?

"The baptism of John, whence was it? from heaven, or of men? And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say unto us, Why did ye not then believe him?" Matthew 21:25

 

From the 1689 Baptist Confession of faith, Chapter XXIX:

1. Baptism is an ordinance of the New Testament, ordained by Jesus Christ, to be unto the party baptized, a sign of his fellowship with him, in his death and resurrection; of his being engrafted into him;1 of remission of sins;2 and of giving up into God, through Jesus Christ, to live and walk in newness of life.3
1 Rom. 6:3–5; Col. 2:12; Gal. 3:27
2 Mark 1:4; Acts 22:16
3 Rom. 6:4


2. Those who do actually profess repentance towards God, faith in, and obedience to, our Lord Jesus Christ, are the only proper subjects of this ordinance.4
4 Mark 16:16; Acts 8:36–37, 2:41, 8:12, 18:8


3. The outward element to be used in this ordinance is water, wherein the party is to be baptized, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.5
5 Matt. 28:19–20; Acts 8:38


4. Immersion, or dipping of the person in water, is necessary to the due administration of this ordinance.6
6 Matt. 3:16; John 3:23

That is all. The Scripture does not spend any time agonizing about who is to perform the baptism. It is all about the one baptized, not about the baptizer. No magic is dispensed by baptism by some special person (1 Corinthians 1:14-17) and disciple is described as going for miles to find someone worthy to baptize him. The Lord Jesus did so because JTB was the only person baptizing at the time.

No one in Scripture is described as being re-baptized because it wasn't done properly the first time.

 

All of those in that church are in the Body/Bride of Christ, so far more than just Baptists!

 

You are holding to a view of the church that is not really in the scriptures!
As you are discrediting all except Baptist churches as being legit!

 

Do you hold that only Baptist churches can be real NT ones then?

 

What is important would be though not who was doing the act, but into whom they were being baptized!

 

Sorry for the typo! No disciple is described as going for miles to find someone worthy to baptize him.

 

"church of the first-born" of the first reiterates to these Hebrew Christians another name by which the distinct Organization of Jesus Christ may be referred.

Each of the descriptive names in this verse, previously, ' "Mount Zion", "the city of the living God", "the heavenly Jerusalem", 23 To "the general assembly" and "church of the first-born", who are written in heaven, ' express to the Hebrew Christians a Divine Institution they have been Saved and then, Baptised into, which is a New Departure for them, from any Old Testament Judaism.

And one of the descriptive names is, "church of the first-born", or to 'transliterate' from Bible English words expressed by The Bible words, in Greek and English, to other English words equal in meaning, "The called-out assembly", (Divinely Instituted) "by Jesus Christ".

The word 'church' does not mean, nor is it used in The Bible to express anything other than an assembled congregation and members, in particular, making up a specific, local body that God has Added to, as He Has Pleased.

 

If the Authority of God to Baptise is miles away, then there isn't anywhere else to get it.

If you have no use for it, then it doesn't matter.

Jesus wasn't a 'disciple' but it has to be a long walk from Galilee, almost 45-50 miles down the eastern side of the Jordan.

There is also additional insight into what we are saying when using the word, 'worthy.'

Matthew 3:13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to the Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.

14 But John forbade Him, saying, I have need to be baptized of Thee, and comest Thou to me?

15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Permit it to be so now; for thus it becometh us to fulfill all righteousness. Then he consented to{permitted {suffered}} Him.

16 And Jesus, when He was baptized, went up straightway out of the water; and, lo, the heavens were opened unto Him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon Him;

17 And, lo, a voice from heaven, saying, This is My beloved Son, in Whom I am well pleased."

Later in Mattew 17, God the Father said He was Well-Pleased with Jesus and then Said the three worded Commandment that has gotten everyone else to a Scriptural Understanding of Church Truth;

1 "And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John, his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,

2 "And was transfigured before them; and His face did shine as the sun, and His raiment was white as the light.

3 "And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elijah talking with Him.

4 "Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here; if Thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for Thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elijah.

5 "While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them; and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is My beloved Son, in Whom I am well pleased;
hear ye Him."

 

Then you get to tell everyone why Jesus

Jesus was Baptised, by The one man Sent from God to Baptise.

Jesus Knows His Bible.

 

Are you saying you would like to ask God to see Him Describe the Way God is, God's Bible is, and The Lord's Scripturally Organized churches with The Authority of God to Baptise?


I see people re-writing The Bible by adding some extra meanings to the word 'church', but they never use The Bible to do so. That adding to Bible words thing needs to be dismissed out of hand.

It doesn't matter how many centuries it took Satan to try and pull that off.

Satan is a liar.

The Lord's Scripturally Organized churches with The Authority of God to Baptise are all congregations of members, in particular.

'Church' means, "called-out assembly".

I don't ask Satan what he can come up with to pervert the Scriptures.

"Hear ye, Him", is what God the Father Said, of Jesus.

Saved children of God who are non-members of The Lord's churches are in The Kingdom of God on Earth, under The Rule of The King. The Kingdom of God is within you.

Religious societies which have come out of Satan's 'church', with its bastardization of the word, 'church', have to look to Satan's 'church', with its bastardization of the word, 'church', for THEIR DEFINITION of THE WORD, 'church', AND FOR THEIR AUTHORITY, WHICH SATAN'S CHURCH, 'with its bastardization of the word, 'church', NEVER HAD, DOESN'T HAVE, AND NEVER WILL HAVE.

Google 'Trilemma' by J.R. Graves. I referenced and linked to it on one of the very first posts I made on this thread, I believe.

Protestants started an investigation to determine their Authority. They ran back in history to Satan's Counterfeit of The Churches Jesus Built and saw Satan's Counterfeit of The Churches Jesus Built had No Authority.

That is a Dilemma. Because Protestants came out of Satan's Counterfeit of The Churches Jesus Built and Protestants found themselves Stuck between a rock and a hard place.

Then, they checked over at The Baptists and they Had The AUTHORITY.

That's a Trilemma. They were Stuck between a rock and a hard place WITH SOMEONE PUSHING ON THEM.

They closed the investigation.

What are you going to do?

We've been welcoming you to The Bible.
.

 

I live in Britain; and there are quite enough unbelievers to be dealing with here I assure you.

Well maybe if you spent more time doing that you might not be so judgmental concerning a brother whom you have never met and about whom you know nothing.

 

Well we read that the Lord Jesus Himself baptized no one, but left it to His disciples (John 4:2) who included Judas Iscariot.
I am not suggesting for one moment that any church should allow unregenerate people to perform baptisms, but tell me:

Do you find anywhere in Scripture that those disciples baptized by Judas were somehow less holy than those baptized by the others?