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Such a long post to respond to.

1. Scientific Creationism is also “Man’s theories about the universe around us...”, it is “man’s theories” constructed around a biblically nieve interpretation of scripture.

a. It was also constructed by fallible men.
b. It twists and (mis)interprets biblical passages to fit its theories.
c. It twists and (mid)interprets scientific principles to fit its theories.
d. It manipulates the Christian community into believing it is the only ‘righteous, biblical’ alternative and denigrates other biblically acceptable alternatives.​

2. The physical universe was created by God.

a. There are two ways God has communicated to man. In his creation and in his written word, both need to be interpreted properly!

b. All those who study it contribute to a greater understanding of what God created and assists fulfilling God’s command to fill, subdue and rule over the earth. Discernment is required in the search for truth.

c. The Bible can be misinterpreted...
...just as the study of God’s creation can be misinterpreted.
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3. In God’s special revelation he has shown us the glory of his Son, heir of all things, creator of the universe... all things were made through him... God did not give us special revelation concerning how he created, nor did he need to - that was a task he gave us to do.

Rob

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I agree with the underlined...
As for what I've bolded, would you please show Scripture that states this?

I see nothing in His word where He commands any of His children to look into how He created the universe...He only reveals that He did create it, with some of the details that He wants us to know, and everything was by His word and by His Word ( Jesus Christ, John 1:1-3 ).
To me, and with respect to you personally, I believe the statement in bold is an assumption...

As I see it, His children have been given many tasks, but looking into how He created things ( as fascinating as it may be, and, admittedly, it does fascinate me ) isn't one of them.
I trust Him to tell me, if He deems it important, and if I have "need to know".

I believe His words by faith in Genesis and in other places.
Six literal days ( resting on the seventh ), and I'm convinced, a young earth that most of mankind is being deceived into thinking is a lot older than it really is.
No "Gap Theory", no products or by-products of evolution or time-lapse are involved whatsoever.
I don't need to delve more deeply into it than that.
I have the rest of eternity to ask Him those questions.

For now, He has given me plenty to do...and to me, further research would only take time that I feel would be better spent on His word and in seeking Him.


This is my final reply in this thread...
I've posted all I care to, and I leave the discussion up to those of you who still desire to pursue it.



May God bless each of you greatly.

 

You have already brought up this issue. You are trying to force Scripture to say what it does not say.

Genesis 6:19 (KJV) And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every [sort] shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep [them] alive with thee; they shall be male and female.

Genesis 6:20 (KJV) Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every [sort] shall come unto thee, to keep [them] alive.

Genesis 7:14 (KJV) They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort.

Dr. Marcus Ross is the assistant professor of geology and assistant director for the Center for Creation Studies at Liberty University. He holds a master’s degree in paleontology and a PhD in geosciences from the University of Rhode Island. He wrote this a few years ago:

So far, the current estimate of living and extinct vertebrate families is about 950. While we will continue to evaluate these families to see if they should be split up or combined with other families for our final estimate of the “kinds,” 950 families is a good approximation. Given that most animals were brought onto the Ark by twos, while “clean” birds and mammals were brought by sevens, this means that Noah cared for approximately two thousand land-dwelling vertebrate animals.

The Ark Encounter team has just begun publishing the final estimate of Ark “kinds” in peer-reviewed creationist literature as a series of technical papers. The first paper, by Jean Lightner, was published in November of 2012.9 Each paper will discuss the methods, the resulting numbers of “kinds,” and descriptions of each. Combined, these works will help the Ark Encounter artists and planners faithfully represent these creatures in the full-scale replica of Noah’s Ark. Some no doubt will be familiar, but others will be unlike any animals you’ve ever seen! The amazing variety of God’s initial work at creation far exceeds the greatly limited variety we see among surviving species today.

The fossil record has expanded our imaginations about the wonderful possibilities of God’s creation. By His grace and by His leading, the Ark Encounter team hopes, once again, to give a loud witness to the Creator’s amazing wisdom, His judgment of sin during the Flood, and His provision of salvation. Jesus Christ, the Son of God and the Creator of the universe, is the One who brought the animals to Noah to be saved. Later He died on the Cross for sins, so all who would come to Him would be saved for eternity.

No Kind Left Behind

 

Genesis 1:1-2 (KJV) In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

God created the earth but it was a globe of water. Then He called forth the land. That was all about 6,000 years ago and it was the point of view of Christianity until about 200 years ago. Darwin has been discredited and Big Bang has more troubles than the law allows. Where did the moon come from?

 

You mean Moses?

LOL. So the earth had form, despite God's revelation to the contrary.

God revealed to Moses here that the heavens and earth were a confused mass that He called the Deep. God presents to us the Deep and says, "This is the heavens and the earth on Day One." In the same manner I can hold out to you a lump of coal and say, "Here are diamonds and pencils."

When men think their imaginations are the revelation of God, this kind of absurdity is the result.

Some more vain imagination postulated as revelation.

 

In summary, there really is no question about what is plainly set forth in Genesis 1. It's not a matter of what it says, it's a matter of what and who one believes. And this thread was started by a man who believes the imaginations of man (and who is especially in love with his own imagination) more than he believes the revelation of God.

He hasn't measured the speed of light nor the distances of stars and galaxies. Every "fact" he claims he knows is merely something he was told by someone else, and he stubbornly clings to his cherished conclusions even when presented with statements to the contrary by the very ones who created and developed the cosmology by which he is wresting Genesis.

But I've read books too, and I've read many by believers who ARE geologists, who ARE biologists, who ARE paleontologists and physicists and astronomers, and who HAVE have a hands-on knowledge every bit as full as that of Evolution's apostles, and they say you aren't being told the whole story when people cite things like the speed of light, and the "certainties" of Relativity, and the dating of rocks and fossils and other clues to God's "real" revelation of an OE in nature.

But they aren't believed. And neither is the superstitious and low mentality of Moses.

Science isn't the problem. The problem is one's heart.

 

About the Gap Theory: in my opinion, it’s fence sitting. But here’s an interesting article about it.
Why the Gap Theory Won't Work

 

The 10 Best Evidences from Science that Confirm a Young Earth
#1 Very Little Sediment on the Seafloor

For Additional Information:

• The Sands of Time: A Biblical Model of Deep Sea-Floor Sedimentation
• The Sands of Time: A Biblical Model of Deep Sea-Floor Sedimentation (pdf)
• “Sea Salt, Erosion, and Sediments” from Earth’s Catastrophic Past1 (pdf)

#2 Bent Rock Layers

For Additional Information:

• Rock Layers Folded, Not Fractured
• “Soft-Sediment Deformation Features” from Earth’s Catastrophic Past2 (pdf)
• “Megasequences of North America” from Earth’s Catastrophic Past3 (pdf)

#3 Soft Tissue in Fossils

For Additional Information:

• Two: Those Not-So-Dry Bones
• More Soft Tissue in “Old” Fossils

#4 Faint Sun Paradox

For Additional Information:

• The Young Faint Sun Paradox and the Age of the Solar System

#5 Rapidly Decaying Magnetic Field

For Additional Information:

• The Earth’s Magnetic Field Is Young
• The Earth’s Magnetic Field and the Age of the Earth
• “The Earth’s Magnetic Field” from Earth’s Catastrophic Past4 (pdf)

#6 Helium in Radioactive Rocks

For Additional Information:

• Helium Diffusion Rates Support Accelerated Nuclear Decay
• Young Helium Diffusion Age of Zircons Supports Accelerated Nuclear Decay
• The Age of the Earth’s Atmosphere Estimated by its Helium Content
• “Helium in Rocks and in the Atmosphere” from Earth’s Catastrophic Past5 (pdf)

#7 Carbon-14 in Fossils, Coal, and Diamonds

For Additional Information:

• Carbon-14 in Fossils and Diamonds
• Carbon-14 Evidence for a Recent Global Flood and a Young Earth
• Measurable 14C in Fossilized Organic Materials: Confirming the Young Earth Creation-Flood Model
• “The Pitfalls in the Radioactive Dating Methods—The Radiocarbon Dating Method” from Earth’s Catastrophic Past6 (pdf)
• “Carbon-14 Dating” from Thousands . . . not Billions7 (pdf)

#8 Short-Lived Comets

For Additional Information:

• Comets and the Age of the Solar System
• Kuiper Belt Objects: Solution to Short-Period Comets?
• More Problems for the ‘Oort Comet Cloud’

#9 Very Little Salt in the Sea

For Additional Information:

• The Sea’s Missing Salt: A Dilemma for Evolutionists
  “Sea Salt, Erosion, and Sediments” from Earth’s Catastrophic Past8 (pdf)

#10 DNA in “Ancient” Bacteria

For Additional Information:

• Bacterial Life in Ancient Salt

 

Dave, we agree on trusting God first. Practically all of us do. The foundational disagreement lies elsewhere. To get to the point of “trusting God first,” we all relied on man. Think about it.

A lot happened before I ever got to God’s word. I don’t just read the Bible with no knowledge of anything else. If that were so, I would not be able to understand a syllable of it. It would just be marks on a page or sounds in the air.

And the same goes for you and everyone else. How you got there, that is, to God’s word, affects how you understand it. Think about it.

 

Really nice work posted here, as if you were an Apostle of Dr Henry Morris Himself! I trust that you have His study Bible?

 

OK, well I’m glad that’s finally clear, because everyone should understand that the earth really does rotate on its axis and revolve around the sun, even if you can move from any frame of reference to another mathematically. (I think the Catholic Church claimed some victory in the centricity argument, since the entire solar system moves within the galaxy, and our galaxy within the universe.)

It’s perfectly fine to think the universe extends approximately the same amount in all directions from our solar system, though it hardly seems necessary, and unlikely provable.

Our real uniqueness lies in God’s creating us in his image, and otherwise attending to us. As far as we know, we are the only such planet in the universe, and even ours could not possibly be without God.

 

I am not Dave but you did address "everyone else" so this is my .02 cents:

True our past formed some of the underlying basics of even spiritual understanding. However "How you got there, that is, to God’s word, affects how you understand it. Think about it" I did and it came to me that each of us was led to God's word and salvation by the Holy Spirit who gifts to each of us wisdom and understanding as we enter into the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.