The Nature of "called" in 1 Cor. 1:26-31

[Van]

I take you are one that believes you forgave your own sins ?
You chose the time ...the day..you made a decision.
Decisional salvation....a major reason Baptist Churches are full of lost people who attempted to forgive their own sins.

Why waste electrons posting strawman arguments to change the subject. Conditional election differs from "decisional salvation" No one puts themselves in Christ, it is done by God, 1 Corinthians 1:30. The action by God is called positional sanctification.

 

[Forever Settled]

Why waste electrons posting strawman arguments to change the subject. Conditional election differs from "decisional salvation" No one puts themselves in Christ, it is done by God, 1 Corinthians 1:30. The action by God is called positional sanctification.

But in your theology the sinner determines.... if when where he allows this to happen.......you don’t see a problem with decesional salvation do you. ?

 

[Gregg T]

I have met people who believe a dead in sin sinner can forgive his own sins before....I am always fascinated .

With your free will you can choose to be saved, that's decisional regeneration.

You probably believe at an alter call you or anyone can go forward and if they choose "get saved" it's their free will choice when they can get saved, it's their (you're) decision.


It's amazing you have the power to decide when you want to be regenerated (saved, born again, etc...) and you do when you choose to, BUT I’m sure you claim you cant forgive your own sins.

What do you think is easier, choosing when to save your self or forgiving your own sins?

Do you think you can save yourself without your sins being forgiven?

Charles Finney the heretic sure has a lasting effect on so many.

I've never heard of 'decisional' regeneration. I do not believe a man is able to regenerate himself, nor did I insinuate such a thing.

I do not think that any man can save himself, but I know that a man can believe in the Lord and be saved after believing - 1Cor 1:21.

 

[Forever Settled]

I've never heard of 'decisional' regeneration. I do not believe a man is able to regenerate himself, nor did I insinuate such a thing.

I do not think that any man can save himself, but I know that a man can believe in the Lord and be saved after believing - 1Cor 1:21.

Ok and what about all those that belive and are NOT saved.....what happened in their situation ?

 

[Gregg T]

Ok and what about all those that belive and are NOT saved.....what happened in their situation ?

Where does Scripture speak about those who believe and are not saved?

I assume you believe in the Lord. How do you know you are saved?

 

[Forever Settled]

Where does Scripture speak about those who believe and are not saved?

Here is one example.

John 2:23-24
23 Now when he was in Jerusalem at the passover, in the feast day, many believed in his name, when they saw the miracles which he did. 24 But Jesus did not commit himself unto them, because he knew all men,

 

[SovereignGrace]

I've never heard of 'decisional' regeneration. I do not believe a man is able to regenerate himself, nor did I insinuate such a thing.

I do not think that any man can save himself, but I know that a man can believe in the Lord and be saved after believing - 1Cor 1:21.

Demons believe and shudder.

19 You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder.[James 2]

 

[SovereignGrace]

Where does Scripture speak about those who believe and are not saved?

I assume you believe in the Lord. How do you know you are saved?

13 Even Simon himself believed; and after being baptized, he continued on with Philip, and as he observed signs and great miracles taking place, he was constantly amazed.[Acts of the Apostles 8:13]

20 But Peter said to him, “May your silver perish with you, because you thought you could obtain the gift of God with money! 21 You have no part or portion in this matter, for your heart is not right before God. 22 Therefore repent of this wickedness of yours, and pray the Lord that, if possible, the intention of your heart may be forgiven you. 23 For I see that you are in the gall of bitterness and in the bondage of iniquity.”[Acts of the Apostles 8]

Simon Magus was said to have believed and was even baptized. Yet, later on, his wicked heart was exposed.

Then many believers left the Christ at the very end of John 6. The Christ asked His disciples, ”You do not want to go away also, do you?”[vs 67] Peter replied, ”Lord, to whom shall we go? You have words of eternal life. We have believed and have come to know that You are the Holy One of God.”[vss 68,69]

 

[SovereignGrace]

Here is one example.

John 2:23-24
23 Now when he was in Jerusalem at the passover, in the feast day, many believed in his name, when they saw the miracles which he did. 24 But Jesus did not commit himself unto them, because he knew all men,

Look @ Baalam, too.

 

[Iconoclast]

Yes, they received the word of God and they believed. 1Thes 2:13 states that God's word is also at work, efficient, in operation in 'you who are believing.' That verse does not say that God's word or His calling caused them to believe, or was so irresistible that they could do nothing else but believe it.

Gregg, it says it was effectual in those who believed. This is quite significant when you compare Rom8:7, 1cor:2:14
To see that men apart from God cannot believe.Does that clarify it for you?

 

[Gregg T]

Here is one example.

John 2:23-24
23 Now when he was in Jerusalem at the passover, in the feast day, many believed in his name, when they saw the miracles which he did. 24 But Jesus did not commit himself unto them, because he knew all men,

Did Jesus commit/entrust Himself to anyone?

In that Jesus did not then commit/entrust Himself to them does not mean that He either saved or did not save them at that time.

Jesus had not yet died for their sins, nor was He yet resurrected in order that they could be saved.

 

[Forever Settled]

Did Jesus commit/entrust Himself to anyone?

In that Jesus did not then commit/entrust Himself to them does not mean that He either saved or did not save them at that time.

Jesus had not yet died for their sins, nor was He yet resurrected in order that they could be saved.

So people before the Resurrection went to hell ?

I’m sure you are hoping Jesus is commited to you....correct ?

 

[SovereignGrace]

Did Jesus commit/entrust Himself to anyone?

In that Jesus did not then commit/entrust Himself to them does not mean that He either saved or did not save them at that time.

Jesus had not yet died for their sins, nor was He yet resurrected in order that they could be saved.

Bruh, OT ppl were saved before the Christ’s earthly ministry.

 

[Gregg T]

Gregg, it says it was effectual in those who believed. This is quite significant when you compare Rom8:7, 1cor:2:14
To see that men apart from God cannot believe.Does that clarify it for you?

It was at work or operating in those already believing, not causing their initial belief before they were saved.

Who can believe apart from God, in that He is the object of our faith?

 

[Gregg T]

So people before the Resurrection went to hell ?

I’m sure you are hoping Jesus is commited to you....correct ?

Are you asking if "people" before the Resurrection went to hell? Did you intend to ask if "believers" before the Resurrection went to Hell?

Your use of Jesus' being committed to someone is different that Jesus committing Himself in Jn 2:24.

 

[Forever Settled]

Are you asking if "people" before the Resurrection went to hell? Did you intend to ask if "believers" before the Resurrection went to Hell?

Mis worded it. Sorry.

 

[Forever Settled]

Your use of Jesus' being committed to someone is different that Jesus committing Himself in Jn 2:24.

How so ?

 

[Gregg T]

How so ?

in Jn 2:24 as commit/entrust them with a knowledge of who He is, verses His being committed/faithful to me.

"for I know whom I have believed, and I am persuaded that He is able to guard my deposit until that day" (2Tim 1:12).

 

[Forever Settled]

in Jn 2:24 as commit/entrust them with a knowledge of who He is, verses His being committed/faithful to me.

They had already believed so something is wrong.

Are you saying Jesus has to do something in order for men to believe ?

 

[Gregg T]

13 Even Simon himself believed; and after being baptized, he continued on with Philip, and as he observed signs and great miracles taking place, he was constantly amazed.[Acts of the Apostles 8:13]

20 But Peter said to him, “May your silver perish with you, because you thought you could obtain the gift of God with money! 21 You have no part or portion in this matter, for your heart is not right before God. 22 Therefore repent of this wickedness of yours, and pray the Lord that, if possible, the intention of your heart may be forgiven you. 23 For I see that you are in the gall of bitterness and in the bondage of iniquity.”[Acts of the Apostles 8]

Simon Magus was said to have believed and was even baptized. Yet, later on, his wicked heart was exposed.

Then many believers left the Christ at the very end of John 6. The Christ asked His disciples, ”You do not want to go away also, do you?”[vs 67] Peter replied, ”Lord, to whom shall we go? You have words of eternal life. We have believed and have come to know that You are the Holy One of God.”[vss 68,69]

Does Acts 8 indicate whether Simon was saved or not saved? Can a saved man have wicked thoughts or lack full understanding of all matters after being saved?