Eschatology Agnostics

Your side quoted the verse, not me. I merely stated that if you were going to use that verse to say that there are no Jews, then that would mean that are no men by your logic. Wake up and smell the coffee. If there are no Jews, why was there a holocaust?

 

Although some claim that the early church had the same futuristic view that is popular today, there is a lack of clear historical documentation to support this claim.

Clement of Alexandria placed the Abomination of Desolation (Daniel's 70th Week) in the time of Nero. Clement of Rome had the same view regarding the Abomination of Desolation. Tertullian was a preterist in his interpretations of Zechariah 14:4. Other early writers who had the preterist view include Eusebius, Athanasius, Origen, and Melito. I highly recommend "The Early Church and the End of the World" by Francis X. Gumerlock.

 

No, I did not bring up the verse. Your side brought up the verse. I just looked at the entire verse, which Preterism cannot do because it is taking a text out of context. If you want anyone to agree with you that there are no longer Jew and Greek, then you are going to have to agree that there are no longer slave and free and that there are no longer male and female that we are all the same-sex. Preterists really should stop using that verse.

The destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans was just one of many destructions of Jerusalem and Israel over the centuries. It was no big deal and does not fit the criteria of the return of Christ. The Jews went into slavery with the Romans and were also dispersed throughout the world, as you know. There have been many attempts to murder all the Jews, the Holocaust being one of the last major attempts by the Germans, but Stalin was trying to start a huge holocaust in Russia but he died first. Here in the USA for the last two hundred years we have endured the Black Israelites, a group of blacks who claim that they are the true Jews, just as you yourself do, apparently.

 

If the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple in AD 70 truly was "no big deal", why did Jesus bother to predict it? You seem to have trouble grasping what Paul's comments about how there is no Jew nor Greek, male nor female, etc. in Christ. Of course these distinctions exist. Paul is saying that it doesn't matter whether you are a Jew or a Gentile, man or woman, slave or free - to be in Christ. A slave who is in Christ is actually more free than a free man without Christ, because the "free man" is still enslaved to sin.
According to Paul, the true Jew / true Israelite is the one who is in Christ. Consider just these passages from Romans - 2:26-29; 9:6-9; 10:12-13; 11:25-27. I could go on with others, but thought sticking with just one book would be easier.

If I may ask, do you believe there is one "people of God" or two?

 

The physical and bodily resurrection of Jesus, and the future bodily resurrection of the saints ahs always been seen as being a Cardinal doctrine of Christianity!

 

When did the Body of Christ experience the physical resurrection then in history?

 

Christianity is based on the bodily resurrection of Jesus. Full Preterists completely agree with that. The future bodily resurrection of the saints may be a historic view, but it's not a "salvation" issue.

 

Worse than that, as it exists outside of Orthodox Christian, has always been regarded as heresy....

 

Can you support that claim with any writings from the early Church Fathers? Preterism has always been an orthodox view.

 

National Israel endures the Great tribulation in order to be made ready to meet the coming of Jesus, as they will receive Him as King/Messiah then, and the nation will be spiritual reborn in a day back unto God, as prophesied by Ezekiel!

 

They will mourn over Him, as they will be convicted and turn to him to get saved!

 

NOT the version that claims second coming already happened!

 

Its also based upon us being physically resurrected at time of the second coming!

 

Which Scriptures tell you that national Israel goes through the tribulation for the purpose of meeting Jesus as the Messiah?

While I'm not sure about the history of Full Preterism, the "futurist" doctrine that is so popular today has only been around since the 1830s.

 

I am not from Missouri, but you will still have to show me where a belief in being physically resurrected is necessary for salvation. On a related note - As I understand it, Christians go to Heaven when they die. When Christ returns, will every Christian who has died in the Faith receive a new physical body?

We are just not going to agree on this.

 

PreMil was popular among some of the ECF themselves, so way before 1830!

 

1 John 3:2