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Psa_92:6 A brutish man knoweth not; neither doth a fool understand this.
Pro_7:22 He goeth after her straightway, as an ox goeth to the slaughter, or as a fool to the correction of the stocks;
Pro_10:8 The wise in heart will receive commandments: but a prating fool shall fall.
Pro_10:18 He that hideth hatred with lying lips, and he that uttereth a slander, is a fool.
Pro_10:23 It is as sport to a fool to do mischief: but a man of understanding hath wisdom.
Pro_12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.
Pro_14:16 A wise man feareth, and departeth from evil: but the fool rageth, and is confident.

Is this enough to prove a fool is a lost person.
MB

 

What is wrong here is that you offer no scripture to support your theories. Man can seek God. Sin is with us all. So if it is sin that disables us then none of us are saved.
MB

 

We have no control over this.

This is because those are the ones who have a problem with truth (John 8:47; John 10:27-30; John 18:37).

It says no such thing. Rather that "none" understands or seeks God. Not any one.

 

You are arguing a special pleading for Romans 3:11. I have argued that truth is a reason the gospel needs to be preached to everyone. Whether through reading the NT or another proclaiming its truth in some way. Romans 3:11 leaves no exceptions.

If you were to explain to someone how to know God, what would you explain?

 

Not true my friend Jesus gave His explanation of the different seeds and soil.

Mat 13:20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;
Mat 13:21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.

False; No one is a sheep until they belong to Christ.

False again You see this would be impossible since Christ saves us while still in our sins.

If so you should be able to show this with scripture and you can't

Not true againl
Mat 13:20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;
Mat 13:21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.
MB

 

That is what I inferred when I read this:

I've bolded and underlined the word exactly as it is found in the quote.

I have no idea where you think I'm making a "strawman" argument.
Perhaps you could clarify what makes you think I'm trying to erect a strawman?
I'm simply stating what I believe about the Bible and why.

I agree.
Each and every believer in "in Christ" by God's doing.

Turning to my studied assertions by the numbers:

1) Ephesians 1:4 refers to God choosing people and placing them into the body of Christ.
They are chosen individually out of the world, through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth ( 2 Thessalonianis 2:13-14 ).
Those that have heard and understood the Gospel are the poor of this world, rich in faith ( James 2:5 ) and heirs to the kingdom promised to those who love God.
They love Him because He first loved them ( 1 John 4:19 ).
Finally, believers lived not as a chosen people before we heard the Gospel of our salvation, but afterward we do.
We were chosen before the foundation of the world, "in Christ" ( Ephesians 1:4-5 ), each and every one.

2) "Of my sheep" refers to God's children, who have ears to "hear" and eyes to "see" ( Matthew 13:10-17 ), which is why they believe on Christ. They are "of" ( from or by ) His sheep, which is why they believe.

3) To be "given" refers to God giving His children to Christ as a bride ( John 6:37-40, John 6:64-65, Isaiah 8:18, Hebrews 2:13, John 17:24 ).

4) The people who God ordained ( appointed, determined, commissioned ) to eternal life, believed. They took Paul's direction, because they were ordained by God to do so. The rest did not.

5) Scripture says my faith is a gift ( Ephesians 2:8 ) authored and finished by my Saviour ( Hebrews 12:2 ) which came to me when I "heard" the Gospel ( Romans 10:17 ), because it was near me ( Romans 10:8 ) and I then believed with the heart and confessed with the mouth ( Romans 10:9-10 ). It was given by God to me, in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe, but to suffer for His sake ( Philippians 1:29 ).


May God bless you greatly, sir.

 

Van,
At the end of the day, there is no "Salvation formula", I'm sorry to say.

A person is saved by the choice and power of God alone, and rests in His mercy and grace for it.
Nothing a person can do, in and of themselves, will ever make a difference.
Nothing a person can "contribute", will ever make a difference.

Salvation is of the Lord.
Every facet, every nuance, every detail and every step.

It's all of God.

 

I understand your "equation" just fine, sir.
In fact, I once believed as you seem to, and sat under similar teaching for over 25 years.

As far as obfuscating, I wasn't aware I was doing anything except stating what I see in Scripture, which is not the same as what you see.
But, I believe this is as good a point as any to stop replying to you, since you and I are not going to agree.


I wish you well, sir, and this is my final reply to you in this thread.

 

Because what you are placing on the board is not scriptural. There is a need to show just how different what you say is from scripture. Because what you say is not in scripture. You keep placing your spin on it. This is a debate forum and you don't wish to debate your view. That's too bad. I will work to disprove everything that isn't according to scripture.
MB

 

You deny the plain teaching of the text Romans 3:11. And you seem to think you can control mens hearts (types of soil).

 

It is my understanding that it is through or in the sanctification of the Spirit (2 Thessalonians 2:13-14) by which the lost are enabled through the hearing of God's word (John 6:45; Romans 10:14; Hebrews 4:12). But some resist the grace of God by resisting the work of God's Spirit (Titus 2:11; John 16:8-11; Acts of the Apostles 7:51). Now if you think you have a better understanding, please brake it down and explain it to us. thanks.