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The Image of God IS Freewill

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Ran the Man, Mar 4, 2019.

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  1. Ran the Man

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    There is no difference between changing someone's nature and turning them into a zombie. You need to read about brainwashing.
     
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    No, it's basic common sense. Of course, you'll negate it by calling it human wisdom.
     
    #22 Ran the Man, Mar 10, 2019
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    Well, let's give this a chance then.

    First, before we even go anywhere we have to agree on terms. For example you said

    Bias and outside influence sways every decision. I and I believe even RantheMan would agree that we don't live in a vacuum. We have biases and our decision are swayed by our environment. So we are in agreement and we can shake on it and walk away?

    Do you just not like the word free-will? Well, I don't like it either. I would rather say that we can make decisions and those decisions are not fully dictated by God and our environment. Humans were made to rule the earth and not the other way around.

    I don't like the term free-will either as it is a loaded term which comes from Arminianism. The free-will of Arminianism is really nothing but an illusionary free-will.

    But as far as bias and outside influence on our decisions and actions. Yeah, I agree that there is bias and outside influence on everyone's actions. I don't think there is anyone, anywhere who doesn't believe this is true. So, if you're trying to find someone to argue against about this, you'll have to build a straw man.

    But do you believe that everyone's actions are fully and exhaustively dictated by God and the environment he created?
     
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    I like your clarification of the so called freewill I spoke of. I ,as you, do not believe in 100% non influenced freewill. I also do not believe God fully and exhaustively controls all things.
     
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    No, I won't elevate it to the position of "human wisdom."
     
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    Agree to an extent. I agree in limited free will. He does control everything. He is like the King that tells his servants "This year, you may plant Wheat, Corn, Barley, Rye, Cotton or Soy Beans." The King is in control and the subject has limited "free will."
     
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    Why does it have to be that way? You know the bible says the earth is for man. Whatsoever we bind on earth is bound in heaven. Why not a God who gives us autonomy, and we reap the rewards or the penalties we sow?
     
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    As Ran is now banned for denial of the inspiration of the Bible, this thread is closed.
     
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