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Nah, Preservation of the Saints is better and more Biblical. 2 Timothy 1:12; John 10:28; Romans 14:4; 2 Timothy 2:13; Jude 1:24

 

Primitive Baptists actually call it 'Preservation of the Saints'.

 

Mugwump - always have been but will find out for sure in the not to distant future.

At which time I will look around for Dr Cassidy for a discussion

 

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Yes, but I believe perseverance in faith does not demand perseverance in some specific measure or manifest standard of good works (thief on the cross, Lot, etc.).

 

That does not sound good , Hank I am sure Cassidy can wait

 

The proof of your preservation will be your perseverance or endurance. Matthew 10:22; 24:13; Mark 13:13; Romans 12:12; 1 Corinthians 13:7; 2 Timothy 2:10, 12; Hebrews 10:32; James 1:12; 5:12; 1 Peter 2:20 (the same Greek word for all these - hupomeno).

 

We are to give heed to passages such as 2 Corinthians 13:5 which reads, "Test yourselves to see if you are in the faith; examine yourselves! Or do you not recognize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you--unless indeed you fail the test?" A cold, unrepentant heart is not the hallmark of a child of God. It is not that a person can lose their salvation, it may be that they never had it to begin with. When my daughter was in high school she lamented that so many of her Christian friends had abandoned the faith. I told her, "Not every professor is a possessor."

Philippians 2:13-13 So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your salvation with fear and trembling; for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.​

 

Actually, it was at the Synod of Dordt that the five pillars of Calvinism (TULIP) originated. The Remonstrants (the opponents of Calvinism) came up with their own points. However, they were not the originators of what has become known as TULIP.

 

Correct. The response was the statement by the Synod of Dordt that became known as TULIP. I may have my order of things backward. I am not sure. The result works out the same.

 

A quick click of the keyboard took care of that problem before the official boot. I call that "the peacemaker". LOL

 

I am some of both "schools". I believe that salvation is open to ALL during their mortal lives, I believe that God has pre-chosen some for special service to Him, as he did Moses, Jeremiah, the apostles, etc. And I do NOT believe God ever created someone predestinated for hell, no matter what.

 

Actually, many of the Reformers agree with you. They do not believe in something called active reprobation. They believe God passed over those who are not elect; He did not actually choose them for reprobation.

 

If God chooses to passover someone He has chosen them for that. Trying to act as there is a difference is ridiculous.