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Inherited sin nature is wrong.

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by loDebar, Mar 17, 2019.

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  1. Calminian

    Calminian Well-Known Member
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    Wow. You're repeating perhaps the oldest heresy (or one of the oldest heresies) of church history. But this is why the book of Genesis is so important.
     
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    Both happened simultaneously.



    Psalm 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.



    Wrong - we were ALL there. All Sinned.

    Young's Literal Translation

    Romans 5:12 because of this, even as through one man the sin did enter into the world, and through the sin the death; and thus to all men the death did pass through, for that all did sin;

    Not all "WOULD SIN" but all "DID SIN".
     
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  3. loDebar

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    explain please
     
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  4. loDebar

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    yes, you think it says I sinned physically, before I was born, which is in opposition to Ezekiel and Jesus.
     
    #24 loDebar, Mar 18, 2019
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    Who condemned me as flesh and blood?
     
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    So am I to understand that you deny the Biblical basis of the sinful nature (Genesis 3:22)?
     
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    You are a condemned sinner but it did not come from Adam. The physical is not capable of sin but the spiritual sins.

    Jesus said you can sin in your heart when the body does nothing.
     
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    We were not there the bible does not say that. We didn't exist. We didn't eat that fruit.In fact I could use the same arguments Calvinist use about the word "all" This must mean all Calvinist. What you are saying is contradicted by scripture. We are not held responsible for our father's sin. Adam was father of us all
    Deu_24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.
    2Ch 25:4 But he slew not their children, but did as it is written in the law in the book of Moses, where the LORD commanded, saying, The fathers shall not die for the children, neither shall the children die for the fathers, but every man shall die for his own sin.
    Yes sir it seems you would have us all pay for the sins of our fathers.
    MB
     
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  9. loDebar

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    Do you care to revise and extend your remarks?

    Eze 18:19

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    Yet say ye, Why? doth not the son bear the iniquity of the father? When the son hath done that which is lawful and right, and hath kept all my statutes, and hath done them, he shall surely live.
    Eze 18:20

    The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him
     
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    Yes, our current teaching blames Adam for our sin when scripture and Jesus does not
    Read it for yourself.
     
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    Who condemned Adam ?
     
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    Must be all that existed at the time.
    Ps51 is David speaking about himself. My mother was a born again Christian at the time I was conceived.
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    You are a sinner , lost, despite having a good mother
    Conception is not the sin, David was already a condemned sinner
     
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    So you believe all young children and babies who die go to hell?
     
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    Wrong.
    Again, we were there sinning along with Adam when he sinned.
     
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    Sigh.....if we are all guilty of Adam's sin as if we were there and did it then it would also require that all persons were immediately made right through Christ's obedience.
     
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    It was your sin condition your condition of iniquity not hers.
     
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    No,
     
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    Then your position is inconsistent
     
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    That doesn't make it wrong.
     
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