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Looking for info: Partial Preterism

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Gorship, Mar 16, 2019.

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  1. Calminian

    Calminian Well-Known Member
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    Fair enough. I'm merely trying to inform you about the view you're inquiring about.
     
  2. Calminian

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    This is a good sign and a good reason to approach Revelation in the very same way. Preterism and other compromises are akin to day age and gap theory compromises.
     
  3. Lodic

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    Well, that was embarrassing :Redface I was thinking of Luke 21:26. Anyway, this is also the same meaning used in other places, where the Gospel is preached throughout the world. Now I'm wondering why Matthew used "kosmos" and Luke used "oikumene". Mark 13 doesn't use either.
     
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    Well, obviously not embarrassing enough to persuade you to abandon a debunked argument. The coming tribulation must be worse than the Flood, and must be immediately followed by the return of Christ. That's according to Jesus, himself.
     
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    No, not quite THAT embarrassing :), since the argument has not been "debunked". However, as @Gorship was saying earlier, the Partial Preterist view interprets quite literally. If you would like to discuss in more detail, just let me know what specific points you have in mind. We will most likely end up agreeing to disagree, but you have always been civil, and I really appreciate that.
     
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    Looks to me you're out of answers. You attempted to make an argument based on a greek word, then abandoned it when you found out it supported my argument.

    Partial Preterism is a non-literal approach, even more so than full Preterism. You've demonstrated this inadvertently.
     
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    Jesus seemed to think they were akin.

    "For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man." Matt. 24:37-39
     
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    Basic fallacy: drawing a conclusion from a starting premise. Such is common with Preterists.
     
  9. Lodic

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    Not at all. I said "Matthew" when I should have quoted Luke 21:26, where "oikumene" was used.
     
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    Sorta like starting with the conclusion that the events of the Olivet Discourse and Revelation have to be future events, then fitting the view into how you interpret the Scriptures.
     
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    Too bad that passage wasn't being discussed. Nice try. You're stuck with a tribulation period that must exceed the tribulation of the flood, and must be immediately followed by the return of Christ. I look forward to more rationalizations.
     
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    Actually, it was being discussed, unless you are suggesting that the Olivet Discourse in Matthew means something different in Luke or Mark. They are parallel accounts of the same event / teaching.
     
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    And such a bummer Jesus use the word kosmos. :Rolleyes I continue to look forward to your rationalizations.
     
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    Oh please.

    Be specific.
     
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    LOL. Priceless response.
     
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    While we see "kosmos" in Matthew's account, you can't deny that "oikumene" is used in Luke's account.
     
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    I love how you're throwing kosmos under the bus trying to demote it. It truly demonstrates the mindset of the Preterist. You originally used its absence as an argument for a limited small local tribulation, inadvertently admitting its true meaning. Then, when you found out Jesus used the word, you change on a dime and tried to demote its meaning. Hilarious.

    You're making my job easy.
     
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    Oh you futurists do like to misquote that scripture. Your theology would not stand if you didn't. The words are "Such as" not "worse than"
     
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    Don't be cute. If you have something worthwhile to say say it. I don't waste time with LOLs and one-line zingers.
     
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    Your arguments are dwindling down to tantrums. No need to respond.
     
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