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Calminian

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Gorship said:
Lol how? You understand this thread is my trying to understand partial preterism.

Just cause I don't have an answer for something I don't fully understand doesn't mean I don't agree the text says something.
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Fair enough. I'm merely trying to inform you about the view you're inquiring about.
 
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Gorship said:
Lol no I do not reject a literal reading of creation as it literally says evening and morning the first...day...
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This is a good sign and a good reason to approach Revelation in the very same way. Preterism and other compromises are akin to day age and gap theory compromises.
 
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Calminian said:
You're wrong.

Matt. 24:21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world (kosmos) until this time, no, nor ever shall be.​

From Mounce: (1) pr. order, regular disposition; ornament, decoration, embellishment, 1 Pet. 3:3; (2) the world, the material universe, Mt. 13:35; the world, the aggregate of sensitive existence, 1 Cor. 4:9; the lower world, the earth, Mk. 16:15; the world, the aggregate of mankind, Mt. 5:14; the world, the public, Jn. 7:4; in NT the present order of things, the secular world, Jn. 18:36; the human race external to the Jewish nation, the heathen world, Rom. 11:12, 15; the world external to the Christian body, 1 Jn. 3:1, 13; the world or material system of the Mosaic covenant, Gal. 4:3; Col. 2:8, 20 ˘ universe; world.
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Well, that was embarrassing :Redface I was thinking of Luke 21:26. Anyway, this is also the same meaning used in other places, where the Gospel is preached throughout the world. Now I'm wondering why Matthew used "kosmos" and Luke used "oikumene". Mark 13 doesn't use either.
 
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Lodic said:
Well, that was embarrassing :Redface .....
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Well, obviously not embarrassing enough to persuade you to abandon a debunked argument. The coming tribulation must be worse than the Flood, and must be immediately followed by the return of Christ. That's according to Jesus, himself.
 
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Calminian said:
Well, obviously not embarrassing enough to persuade you to abandon a debunked argument. The coming tribulation must be worse than the Flood, and must be immediately followed by the return of Christ. That's according to Jesus, himself.
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No, not quite THAT embarrassing :), since the argument has not been "debunked". However, as @Gorship was saying earlier, the Partial Preterist view interprets quite literally. If you would like to discuss in more detail, just let me know what specific points you have in mind. We will most likely end up agreeing to disagree, but you have always been civil, and I really appreciate that.
 
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Lodic said:
No, not quite THAT embarrassing :), since the argument has not been "debunked". .....
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Looks to me you're out of answers. You attempted to make an argument based on a greek word, then abandoned it when you found out it supported my argument.

Partial Preterism is a non-literal approach, even more so than full Preterism. You've demonstrated this inadvertently.
 
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Calminian said:
Do you really see the destruction of Jerusalem as akin to the Noachian Flood?
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Jesus seemed to think they were akin.

"For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man." Matt. 24:37-39
 
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asterisktom said:
Jesus seemed to think they were akin.

"For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man." Matt. 24:37-39
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Basic fallacy: drawing a conclusion from a starting premise. Such is common with Preterists.
 
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Calminian said:
Looks to me you're out of answers. You attempted to make an argument based on a greek word, then abandoned it when you found out it supported my argument.

Partial Preterism is a non-literal approach, even more so than full Preterism. You've demonstrated this inadvertently.
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Not at all. I said "Matthew" when I should have quoted Luke 21:26, where "oikumene" was used.
 
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Calminian said:
Basic fallacy: drawing a conclusion from a starting premise. Such is common with Preterists.
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Sorta like starting with the conclusion that the events of the Olivet Discourse and Revelation have to be future events, then fitting the view into how you interpret the Scriptures.
 
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Lodic said:
Not at all. I said "Matthew" when I should have quoted Luke 21:26, where "oikumene" was used.
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Too bad that passage wasn't being discussed. Nice try. You're stuck with a tribulation period that must exceed the tribulation of the flood, and must be immediately followed by the return of Christ. I look forward to more rationalizations.
 
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Calminian said:
Too bad that passage wasn't being discussed. Nice try. You're stuck with a tribulation period that must exceed the tribulation of the flood, and must be immediately followed by the return of Christ. I look forward to more rationalizations.
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Actually, it was being discussed, unless you are suggesting that the Olivet Discourse in Matthew means something different in Luke or Mark. They are parallel accounts of the same event / teaching.
 
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Lodic said:
Actually, it was being discussed, unless you are suggesting that the Olivet Discourse in Matthew means something different in Luke or Mark. They are parallel accounts of the same event / teaching.
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And such a bummer Jesus use the word kosmos. :Rolleyes I continue to look forward to your rationalizations.
 
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Lodic said:
While we see "kosmos" in Matthew's account, you can't deny that "oikumene" is used in Luke's account.
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I love how you're throwing kosmos under the bus trying to demote it. It truly demonstrates the mindset of the Preterist. You originally used its absence as an argument for a limited small local tribulation, inadvertently admitting its true meaning. Then, when you found out Jesus used the word, you change on a dime and tried to demote its meaning. Hilarious.

You're making my job easy.
 
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Calminian said:
Well, obviously not embarrassing enough to persuade you to abandon a debunked argument. The coming tribulation must be worse than the Flood, and must be immediately followed by the return of Christ. That's according to Jesus, himself.
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Oh you futurists do like to misquote that scripture. Your theology would not stand if you didn't. The words are "Such as" not "worse than"
 
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