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What is Heresy?
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Reformed1689
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No, but what some believe about faith actually does. You don't have to state it to argue for it. If your position actually necessitates something else, guess what, you believe it.
Since when is the receiving of a gift also considered part of the giving?
Reformed1689
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What are you talking about...
Apparently God hasn't chosen you to understand that question. When He does let me know.
Reformed1689
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And the trolling continues.
Fundamentalists should be sitting pretty in this debate because they already have long ago decided what the fundamentals are. It looks as if belief in the fundamentals as outlined by the Fundamentalists would be the determining factor of what Christian beliefs are.
Of course, my church, where the average income per family is well over 6 figures is still trying to decide who to throw out on the basis of what they say about the Nephilim.
Of course, my church, where the average income per family is well over 6 figures is still trying to decide who to throw out on the basis of what they say about the Nephilim.
[edit] I know for a fact that there is a member of this board who denies justification by faith. He denies it not because I say he does, he denies because he says he does.
Also, I have never, ever said that everyone who opposes Calvinism believes in salvation through works.
I am not.
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Reformed1689
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As @Reformed said, I can no with certainty say that there is at least one member here who argues against justification by faith.
David, be kind. Marty does not get out of the house that often. LOL
And let me add that I am probably one of the most transparent people on this board. I fly my colors up the mast with no fear or apology. I am not looking for a pat on the back or a hurrah. I answer questions directly and without equivocation. I do make mistakes from time to time but that is part of the human condition.
Name him! And since this is the Baptist only section of the forum, he has to be a Baptist.
Just the type of thing I expect to be said from a Calvinist. You're following well in the footsteps of John Calvin.
Reformed1689
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Welcome to my private list.
Old joke about what is heresy.
Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, "Don't do it!" He said, "Nobody loves me." I said, "God loves you. Do you believe in God?"
He said, "Yes." I said, "Are you a Christian or a Jew?" He said, "A Christian." I said, "Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?" He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me, too! What franchise?" He said, "Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?" He said, "Northern Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?"
He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region." I said, "Me, too!"
Northern Conservative†Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912." I said, "Die, heretic!" And I pushed him over.
Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, "Don't do it!" He said, "Nobody loves me." I said, "God loves you. Do you believe in God?"
He said, "Yes." I said, "Are you a Christian or a Jew?" He said, "A Christian." I said, "Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?" He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me, too! What franchise?" He said, "Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?" He said, "Northern Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?"
He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region." I said, "Me, too!"
Northern Conservative†Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912." I said, "Die, heretic!" And I pushed him over.
John I Morris
Member
I don't agree with you on this. For by grace are you saved through faith... and that not of yourselves, it is a gift of God not of works, lest any man should boast. The Holy Spirit draws the individual, the individual accepts that drawing and believes unto salvation. God does not force anyone to be saved. God wants all to come to repentance, none to perish. Christ died for the sin of the world, not just a certain few. Can't buy into Calvinism, it is a false teaching in my opinion. When I get to heaven, God will let me know if I was right or not. Or maybe it will not be important enough to even be told.
Reformed1689
Well-Known Member
Agreed
Agreed
God gives some to salvation and all that are given are received.
There is not a single verse that says Christ died for the sin of every person. World does not necessitate every individual. If I am watching a baseball game and the announcer says the whole world is watching that moment, does that literally mean every individual? Absolutely not. So why do you try to force that interpretation onto the Bible when context does not permit it.
John I Morris
Member
I see a straw man in this, why can't we just be truthful about the other side and defend our position from that point? To throw the OT out is to remove many teaching points and illustrations. We do not live by the OT law, everyone knows that. To infer that is what's happening is your "straw man", so maybe you just want to move away from that. This is the dispensation of Grace not Law. But the OT is still good to learn from, just not to live by.
John I Morris
Member
Have you ever read 1 John 2:2? "And He is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world." That would be a good one for you, since you state that there is not one single verse that says that.
What strawman? The problem is that Fundamentalists went to all the trouble to define the fundamentals over a hundred years ago and then don't bother to list the fundamentals as what you have to believe in order to be a Christian. They just say that one has to believe the Holy Bible. That is the most cumbersome definition that anyone could create and I don't understand Fundamentalists at all but then I freely admit that I am not a Fundamentalist and if the SBC does not do something about people like Albert Mohler (who needs to step down from Louisville), and J.D. Greear who thinks that Allah and Jesus are the same and probably will be re-elected, and Russell Moore who is another cultural Marxist and the SBC needs to close down the God-forsaken Ethics, Religion and Liberty Commission as a waste of money, the SBC needs to find ask conservatives to leave. No, I am just disappointed at the failure of the Fundamentalists to use the fundamentals as the definition of a Christian, but the
American educational system is one of the worst in the industrialized world so we probably have a lot of people in the pews who are uneducated and who are past the normal age to learn anything new.