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Totally Depraved Cornelius

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by utilyan, Apr 16, 2019.

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  1. kyredneck

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    Born from above = regeneration

    Conversion = saved.

    Not the same.

    Unless you hold to gospel, or means regeneration, you should know this.

    IMO, Saul was regenerate from the womb, he was converted on the road to
    Damascus.
     
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    This would make God the conspirator to murder Christians. Paul wasn't saved until he submitted to Christ while having his vision. The scripture is very clear on this. Seems like you just reached in there and made that up out of nothing.
     
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    Seems like you just reached in there and made that up out of nothing.

    k

    The scripture is very clear that meeting Jesus on the road to Damascus was a life changing event for Saul.
     
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    47 Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, Behold, an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile! Jn 1

    Child of God prior to conversion?
     
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    2 And behold, a man called by name Zacchaeus; and he was a chief publican, and he was rich.
    3 And he sought to see Jesus who he was; and could not for the crowd, because he was little of stature.
    4 And he ran on before, and climbed up into a sycamore tree to see him: for he was to pass that way. Lu 19

    Child of God prior to conversion?
     
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    6 And he believed in Jehovah; and he reckoned it to him for righteousness. Gen 15

    Abram. Child of God prior to conversion?
     
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    1 Now there was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
    2 the same came unto him by night, and said to him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God; for no one can do these signs that thou doest, except God be with him. Jn 3

    Child of God prior to conversion?
     
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    Since Zacchaeus and Nicodemus both sought Christ, the Calvinist will say, that yes, they must have been regenerated prior to conversion.
     
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    1 Now there was a certain man in Caesarea, Cornelius by name, a centurion of the band called the Italian band,
    2 a devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, who gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God always. Acts 10

    Child of God prior to conversion?
     
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    SOMEONE GIVE ITL A PEANUT!
     
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    Who do you think we are?
     
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    “Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?” (Romans 9:21)
     
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    You are right. But he was filled with the Holy Spirit from the womb. But I might add, he didn't have much to say about it. It only proves God does what we does and none can stay his hand.
     
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    This does not say what you want it to. The potter having power over the clay doesn't mean forced salvation. God is all powerful and that still does not mean He forces us to be followers.
    You still haven't proven it,
    MB
     
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    If he didn't force the Jews under threat of death, they never would have complied. Even then it was nothing but rebellion and suffering the consequences.
     
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    There you have it ,it's called freewill. I'm glad you finally see the truth.
    MB
     
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    How many times do we have to tell you Calvinists AFFIRM free will?
     
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    You forgot the asterisk.

    Sent from my CLT-L04 using Tapatalk
     
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    What asterisk....?
     
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    You need to understand the context of which the Jew would have understood.
    Cause you are stuck on the idea that the one made for dishonor though declared by God to be dishonorable will forever be dishonorable.

    Jeremiah 18

    1The word which came to Jeremiah from the LORD saying, 2“Arise and go down to the potter’s house, and there I will announce My words to you.”3Then I went down to the potter’s house, and there he was, making something on the wheel. 4But the vessel that he was making of clay was spoiled in the hand of the potter; so he remade it into another vessel, as it pleased the potter to make.

    5Then the word of the LORD came to me saying, 6“Can I not, O house of Israel, deal with you as this potter does?” declares the LORD. “Behold, like the clay in the potter’s hand, so are you in My hand, O house of Israel. 7“At one moment I might speak concerning a nation or concerning a kingdom to uproot, to pull down, or to destroy it; 8if that nation against which I have spoken turns from its evil, I will relent concerning the calamity I planned to bring on it. 9“Or at another moment I might speak concerning a nation or concerning a kingdom to build up or to plant it; 10if it does evil in My sight by not obeying My voice, then I will think better of the good with which I had promised to bless it. 11“So now then, speak to the men of Judah and against the inhabitants of Jerusalem saying, ‘Thus says the LORD, “Behold, I am fashioning calamity against you and devising a plan against you. Oh turn back, each of you from his evil way, and reform your ways and your deeds.”’ 12“But they will say, ‘It’s hopeless! For we are going to follow our own plans, and each of us will act according to the stubbornness of his evil heart.’


    What shows despite what God declares even RELENT calamities he PLANNED.

    Why would God PLAN Calamities for a anyone if he knew he would never need them?

    Or say" I will think better of the good with which I had promised to bless it." ?


    Its the truth that the BALL is in your COURT already, God already threw it there.
     
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