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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Gorship, Mar 31, 2019.

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  1. Gorship

    Gorship Active Member

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    Alright I'm gunna start a fire.

    Exo 32:14 God changes His mind on the calamity He was about to bring.

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    Oh that wasn't as exciting.

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    lol not sure what excitement you thought I was going to put forth....
     
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  4. Gorship

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    I'm not sure either. Maybe a rant on catholics. I need a good catholic rant.

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    32:14 the LORD changed His mind about the harm. Moses’ appeal for God to change His mind, to relent, succeeded because God had only threatened judgment, not decreed it. A divine intention is not an unchangeable divine decree. Decrees or sworn declarations (cf. Ge 22:16–18; Ps 110:4) or categorical statements of not changing or relenting (cf. Jer 4:28; Eze 24:14; Zec 8:14, 15) are unconditional and bind the speaker to the stated course of action regardless of the circumstances or reactions of the listeners. Intentions retain a conditional element and do not necessarily bind the speaker to a stated course of action (cf. Jer 15:6; 18:8–10; 26:3, 13, 19; Joel 2:13; Jon 3:9, 10; 4:2).

    John F. MacArthur Jr., The MacArthur Study Bible: New American Standard Bible. (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers, 2006), Ex 32:14.
     
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    There are saved persons who do not even know the term Calvinism, there are 5 pointers who are not saved..
    Personally, I believe every saved person is a Calvinist. you know the battery level on your phone, the green bars? I think those who say they are non-cals, believe many of the same things.
    They usually object to the L....they have an idol of free will that must die, before they can progress.
    So for each of the 5 points, their green bars are lower than a cal, but depending on the wording of the question put to them. they agree or disagree.

    I have known many who opposed themselves and argued against the teaching but now see it quite clearly. It is between each person and God..
     
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    So all of history is not "written in stone"?

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    So if I'm truly saved. Deep down im just fighting my inner calvy.

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    For the record, I used to be against Total Depravity, Unconditional Election, Limited Atonement, and Irresistible Grace. The only point I believed for a LONG time was Eternal Security.
     
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    Of course, because the saved desire to know the truth of Scripture and the truth of God and who He is.
     
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    Hm the latest thing I denounced was eternal sec.. I'm with ya on depravity? Mostly.

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    let me give an example or two.
    Let's take Limited Atonement.
    if I ask you, you might say you deny that teaching.
    the fact is we both believe in limited atonement .

    neither of us think Satan is saved
    neither of us think fallen angels are saved
    neither of us believe every human ever born is saved.
    So we both limit the atonement.
    I just believe it full 5 green bars, from the start.
     
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    Hey I wanna come back here.

    So God can change His mind, just not His decrees. But isn't all history decreed in some sense?

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    I don't deny limited atonement. I just define it differently.

    I take it to 11.

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    Another example;
    take all the non -cals on BB
    we take a poll on the 5pts

    a certain % will agree 100 percent on T

    a different percentage on the U, etc

    all claim to be non cal, but if you make a composite they come to the full 5 points
     
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    God does not change His mind
     
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    So He just threatened Moses. He threatens with no intent lol?

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    That is what i am talking about. Everyone is at different levels of growth and maturity.
    let's say Dave and I agree on 94% of the teaching. because we disagree on 6% does that mean it is the fault of the teaching? Or maybe Dave has a clearer view of certain scriptures than I do.
     
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    So when you reach maturity and become a classical arminian I will be here with open arms brother.

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    God uses language in a way we can understand.
    God does not need to repent, or change.
    , 6 For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
     
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