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Actually, that is not how Scripture presents it (you are forgetting that the clay was a "lump" before it was formed into each vessel). Likewise, there is no distinction between Jacob and Esau except God's favor.

The problem comes in when ideas are taken from Scripture and applied to different contexts or explanations. The conclusion may not be wrong, but there is the potential that it can be so we have to be very careful.

I agree with you, BTW, in God's purpose according to election. My concern here is the care that has to be taken so that what we end up with remains biblical (or at least does not detract from what is biblical).

Another aspect (for the Calvinists, anyway) is in a logical progression. Here the Reformed have been divided. Is election pre or post Fall (did God elect prior to the Fall or out of fallen man). How one thinks of this issue affects how one addresses the OP.

 

Except....that is not what Scripture says.

It begins with two people. The difference is God - not the people.

It begins with clay. The difference is the Potter, not the clay.

You attribute too much to man/ clay when you assume that to be the difference.

 

"The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity." - Yeats

I do not know why, MartinM, you have elected to insult me when I am engaging the OP honestly. Two things come to mind - the fable of a snake being a snake (people are known by their nature) and the above quote.

I mention Yeats because of another line in the poem which illustrates the precarious nature of running with scissors (or ideas). If we are not careful where we arrive is far from the intended destination.

That is what happens with two-seed theology (and the anti-missions movement). There are passages, but in the widening gyre the Christian looses sight of their Author.

 

I do not see how anyone could have missed the point of the OP. It is very clear.

Again - except for the physical relations heresy, how does the OP differ from serpent seed doctrine?

I know how I would answer, but I do not share your view here - I believe God chose out of fallen man (our "order" is different).

 

I'd say "no", because Adam needed to be redeemed and he was not born. Birth, then, does not contribute to our need of redemption. That we exist, however, may be another conversation.

The issue with the OP is whether or not there exist two races of people outside of Christ (the non-elect and the elect who are yet saved). Scripture never speaks of the elect except they be saved (which introduces various philosophies into the equation).

It could be that the two lines are the saved and the lost (to include those who would be saved). It could be that God created two spiritual races of people. It could be that God created man and chose from fallen man a people.

The discussion is not as cut and dry as the OP might lead some to believe because all three can (and have) been defended with Scripture.

 

The serpent seed and the Kenites | CARM.org

 

@kyredneck ,

The difference between serpent seed doctrine and the OP is the physical relation element.

Both, however, arrive at an erroneous conclusion (two races of people - lost sheep and the non-elect).

Think of wheat and tares. The tares do not represent the non-elect but specifically the unsaved who appear to be saved (which is the point of the parable). The church addresses sin but does not try to "root out" professing believers who may not be saved as they look the same.

The clay is of the same lump. The difference is the Potter and His purposes. Not two different kinds of clay.

The spiritual is at odds with the flesh. We have to be careful because people with good intentions have arrived at very dangerous and damaging ends.