Featured Loving Jesus enough to obey Him ensures salvation

With respect, I don't feel as if I need to ask.
I believe that I know what reconciliation is...
It is God reconciling believers to Himself, by Jesus Christ ( Romans 5:10-11, 2 Corinthians 5:18, Colossians 1:20-22 ).

See my above.

Everything?
No, I don't know everything, Samuels...
But I do understand my Saviour's words, at least for the most part.

No, that's not it.
It's because you believe in loss of salvation, and this isn't the first time I've considered the Scriptures that you see as support for it.

To me, wherever you are coming from, it's not from a complete understanding of how God's word all fits together, doctrinally.

Also, I'm being mindful of where you've already begun your thread arguing from... a standpoint of a person's behavior leading to their gaining of eternal life.
That is why I posted Romans 6:23...because eternal life is a gift, not a reward for good behavior.

To be blunt, here's what I see happening in our exchange thus far:

Not only do you see me as being wrong ( which is your prerogative ), you also think that you can justify any bad behavior as being Christlike...which isn't.
If you see me being anything but godly towards you, then call me on it.
I will take godly correction, sir.

At this point, I cannot take back my first post where I gave the picture of a cart before the horse...and I suspect you may believe that I was mocking you.
I'm sorry I did it, and cannot retract it.


I can, however, ask your forgiveness for it, and promise not to "shoot from the hip" as much as possible, in any further interaction that we may have.

 

Back to what you stated before:

I've already taken this challenge from others who believe this way, many times.
Not only am I convinced that salvation cannot be lost, I'm also convinced that anyone who teaches this set of doctrines, has it all backwards.
Faith is the evidence of being saved ( Hebrews 11:1 ), not the means whereby a person can gain eternal life.

True good works flow from the hearts and hands of someone who is saved...they don't deternine salvation, they reflect, or characterize it in the life of someone God has decided to show His mercy and grace to.
Obedience, in the life of a believer, does not determine where they end up...it is a reflection of the Holy Spirit in them, and their willingness to do God's will.

Again...to me, you have the cart before the horse.

It's as if you are somehow looking at God's word, and seeing "requirements" and "conditions", instead of seeing evidence, and obedience out of an already changed heart and set of desires...a love of God and a healthy respect for His power and holiness, instead of a mortal terror of Him and a belief that if one does not do everything in their power to walk the straight and narrow, then they can fall into eternal darkness for it.

Scripture is very plain, at least to me, that Christ's sheep can never be lost.
So, right away, we're starting off from totally opposite sides...and I know from past experience, that I will never be able to convince you or even most of the readers here, to "switch sides".


May God bless you, greatly, sir.

 

Yes, I do.

I'm trying to tell you that I've already reconciled them all in my own mind.
To me, there's no need for us to discuss this further...

I'm already in full support of "Eternal Security", and have been, for decades.
What I don't believe in, is "antinomianism", or sinning that grace may abound ( Romans 6 ).

With that said, I will politely decline further discussion, and simply bid you a good day.

 

You confuse Law, Matthew 19:17 with Grace John 14:15 as explained in 1 John 3:23. Note Galatians 2:21.

 

Nothing obnoxious or arrogant about this post.

 

You don't discuss scripture with people of this mindset you let them discuss scripture with themselves... Brother Glen

 

Not my fault you confuse Law with Grace, John 1:17. There is a difference betweem the commandments and what Jesus called "my commandments." Matthew 19:17 and John 14:15. I have studied this some 50 years.

 

Then it is not a gift at all. Salvation is not something you have be good enough to receive. A gift is not based on merit, but you teaching a false gospel of salvation by works.

Eternal life is given, never earned. You cannot obey God well enough to earn it, much less keep it.

 

I understand that. I am saying you're wrong. Your approach denies the full sufficiency of the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross.

Salvation is not only not earned, it is not kept by us. We do not keep ourselves saved. Salvation is 100% the work of God, from start to finish. He keeps us; we do not keep ourselves.

 

It does not tell us anywhere that we keep ourselves saved. That's just another of one of your disgusting lies.

 

No, you simply have nothing in the Bible that says anything like that. You have to twist verses and rip them from their immediate context to make them appear to address something they were not intended to address.

Red herring

Another red herring. Why are you trying to change the subject?

 

No, not at all.