Baptist Hermeneutics

When ever you post you either agree or disagree like the rest of us. You are more than willing to voice your opinions. You know it's true because. In a post you often judge the person telling them they should be ashamed of them selves. Really! I think you are the one that should be ashamed of your hypocritical judgement of others. I feel it's the title you have applied to your self.
MB

 

That question is a good one.

I will answer it.

The answer, first, needs to do as it sort of says and I will group them into similar subjects.

They are various verses which discuss different subjects.

Who wants that answer?

If someone says, "anything I think goes together, goes together", then "love not the world" and throw out John 3:16.

Another way to FORGET UNDERSTANDING MUCH OF THE NEW TESTAMENT, is

IF YOU DO NOT LOVE GOD AND HIS WORD
ENOUGH TO STUDY AND LEARN
AND 'ALLOW' HIM TO DEFINE HIS CHURCHES.

"How should the following scriptures, listed together as a complete thought, be interpreted, that is understood?"

We give ourselves a possibility of Interpreting them, by arranging them into similar subjects:


...

This first group of verses regards Jesus Christ baptizing, Immersing, and Anointing the Most Holy of Daniel 9, with Another Comfort or, The Shakina Glory, that Indwells His Kind OF DIVINELY INSTITUTED CHURCH organizations and organisms, as a corporate entity, as The Supernatural Governing Vicar of Christ.

Again, forget it.

If you don't love God, forget any Bible verse regarding His churches,
because Church Truth is Taught in The Bible

... And a 'universal' something that is not in existence is taught by Satan and those who worship the Beast, in that Spiritually Adulterous way.

(Note: this is how these verses are to be Interpreted, as The Message God would have us to understand.

When someone uses a Hermeneutical Principal of,

"I hate God,
I hate The Bible,
I hate Jesus,
I don't care what they Say a 'church' is,
or whether Jesus Loves His churches He Built,
or that Jesus Died for His churches,

and

I don't know much at all about The Holy Spirit
and I DON'T WANT TO KNOW",

then their 'take' on these verses will be perverted heresy.)

...

So, the verses grouped into subjects goes like this:

"Anoint The Most Holy" Daniel 9:

.... which Jesus Called, "I Build My Church"...

This first group of verses regards Jesus Christ baptizing, Immersing, and Anointing
the Most Holy of Daniel 9, with Another Comfort or, The Shakina Glory,

that Indwells His Kind OF DIVINELY INSTITUTED CHURCH
organizations and organisms,

as a corporate entity, with The Second Person of The Triune Godhead Being The Supernatural Governing Vicar of Christ, since that Day, on The Day of Pentecost.


“Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you. John 16:7

.. "to you" =

Jesus' Kind OF DIVINELY INSTITUTED CHURCH organization and organism, ASSEMBLED THERE AS SCRIPTURALLY BAPTIZED BELIEVERS BRING GLORY TO GOD IN A CONGREGATED BODY, TOGETHER, as a corporate entity, THAT HE BUILT AND PROMISED THE HELPER:

WAS GIVEN: "THE HELPER" , The Supernatural Governing Vicar of Christ.

...

"But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those believing[fn] in Him would receive; for the Holy[fn] Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified. John 7:39

... those 'believing' are His Disciples, in Jesus' Kind OF DIVINELY INSTITUTED CHURCH organization and organism, ASSEMBLED THERE AS SCRIPTURALLY BAPTIZED BELIEVERS to BRING GLORY TO GOD IN A CONGREGATED BODY, TOGETHER, as a corporate entity, THAT HE BUILT AND PROMISED THE HELPER:

Jesus' Kind OF DIVINELY INSTITUTED CHURCH organization and organism, ASSEMBLED THERE AS SCRIPTURALLY BAPTIZED BELIEVERS WAS GIVEN: "the Spirit", The Supernatural Governing Vicar of Christ.


... those 'believing' are His Disciples Jesus' Kind OF DIVINELY INSTITUTED CHURCH organization and organism, ASSEMBLED THERE AS SCRIPTURALLY BAPTIZED BELIEVERS,

...just as those of The Eleven who had disbelief in Mark 16, had to be rebuked by Jesus

...and Jesus' Promises of Miraculous Gifts were to follow "them that believe", which were Jesus' eleven He was Taking to, = "them".

... and those that 'believe' is not speaking of, 'anyone who Gains Salvation', in John 7:39,

just as Mark 16:17 "And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

...does not promise Gifts, or 'signs' to follow all who are Saved.

Mark 16:16 speaks of 'believe' as Salvation and Mark 16:17 does not.

Mark 16:17 "And these signs shall follow them that believe;"
is speaking about Jesus eleven, who He rebuked, for "unbelief".



In John 17:"But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those believing..."

...are those 'believing' as His Disciples, together in Jesus' Kind OF DIVINELY INSTITUTED CHURCH organization and organism, ASSEMBLED THERE AS SCRIPTURALLY BAPTIZED BELIEVERS.

...

“This Jesus God has raised up, of which we are all witnesses. “Therefore being exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He poured out this which you now see and hear. Acts 2:32,33


.. "this which you now see and hear",

is in regard to Jesus Christ baptizing, Immersing, and Anointing the Most Holy of Daniel 9, with Another Comfort or, The Shakina Glory, that Indwells His Kind OF DIVINELY INSTITUTED CHURCH organizations and organisms, as a corporate entity, as The Supernatural Governing Vicar of Christ, since they saw it and heard it, on The Day of Pentecost.

= Acts 2:33 “Therefore being exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He poured out this which you now see and hear.



...

THE HOLY SPIRIT in SALVATION:

(Note: this verse DOES NOT regard Jesus Christ baptizing, Immersing, and Anointing any Individual with Another Comfort or, The Shakina Glory,

that Indwells His Kind OF DIVINELY INSTITUTED CHURCH organizations and organisms, as a corporate entity, as The Supernatural Governing Vicar of Christ, since The Day of Pentecost.

Jesus Baptized His church.

The Holy Spirit has never 'baptized' anything.)

...

Titus 3:4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,

5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;

7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

...

This some 'version'?

Who, through, the faith, has actually received the grace of life, by which having had the Holy Spirit poured upon us,
we become heirs of the hope of eternal life?


...

The Triune Godhead:
The Divinity and Glory of The First, Second, and Third Persons of The Triune Godhead:

“And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was. John 17:5


who through Him believe in God, who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God. 1 Peter 1:21


...

Verses with "The Holy Spirit" mentioned:

Eph 2:8 first part: τῇ γὰρ χάριτί ἐστε σεσῳσμένοι διὰ τῆς πίστεως
To the for grace the ones having been saved through the faith

Titus 2:7 first part: ἵνα δικαιωθέντες τῇ ἐκείνου χάριτι
That being justified to the of that grace

 

Sometimes but not always. Just because two people come to different interpretations does not mean one of them is guilty of eisegesis. Sometimes it is just a coming up with a different conclusion. No one is completely unbiased. We all drag our presuppositions along for the ride and they influence our understanding no matter how hard we try to ignore them.



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I'm sorry you do not understand that God will direct your path if you let Him. Maybe God doesn't direct you but He does me. Maybe you think I must be crazy, I don't really care what you think of me. I trust my Lord more than myself. If God directs you then you know what I'm saying is true and you don't need an explanation. As far as trusting in men. Well all you have to do is look at Calvinism and Mormonism and JW's you know all the cults. They trust in men or gurus or false prophets. Do you trust everyone who claims a certain path is true? If your answer is no then you must pray and ask for an answer. You do believe God can and does answer prayer. Why not try and explain how He does this. Then you'll know the answer.
MB

 

It is nice to see everyone agrees with the rules in post #63, because silence is tacit approval.

 

Do you have a Pastor that instructs you on what the bible teaches? Any radio or tv ministry?

 

Good for you

 

I have the Holy Spirit He guides me. I will ad to this statement. I do not watch tv ministries because they attempt to take away the contributions of local churches for their own gain. I believe if they have to ask to keep going then God is not in there ministry. God is the ultimate provider.
MB

 

I generally start off by asking Do they Know where they're going to be when they die.
Everyone is different and so should the approach be to suit the situation. Mostly I let God direct me through the whole situation. I know your next question is "How does God do that?" I try not to think to much about what I'm going to say rather I let the Holy Spirit direct the whole thing. How do I know it's the Holy Spirit?. I know Him as He knows me. He dwells with in me.
MB

 

God is much better at answering such things than I. I only know what I believe and cannot change your mind You are the one who can change your mind. The passages you presented I take literally. I do not interpret them I just read what they say. Interpretation when it's in your own language is rather silly. It reminds me of the passage about wolves in sheep clothing. The Pharisee's interpreted scripture to there own benefit. If I don't understand I ask God for help not men. I can't take scripture and seek other than what it clearly says.
MB

 

What are the basics of proper biblical interpretation? It begins by asking and answering the who, what, when, and where questions. This is the cornerstone of the historical-grammatical hermeneutical method. But once again, our presuppositions come along for the ride. For instance, I know learned and godly men on both sides of the Calvinism-Arminianism issue and both use the historical-grammatical method, yet they arrive at different conclusions. I am not talking about careless exegetes. Why do they come to these different conclusions? We just cannot chalk it up to different rules of logic or understanding of the meaning of words. Sometimes it is a different view of how Greek grammar works. Sometimes it is simply intellectual dishonesty, i.e. I want the text to say what I want it to say.

 

Maybe but Calvinist purposely twist what scripture says and they call that interpretation as well. How do we lead them to the truth? Seems impossible.
MB

 

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