The Image & Name of the Beast

"When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held." - Revelation 6:9

If you guys don't like images and think they are idolatrous, why are you posting so many of them here?

 

This thread reads like the pages of a Dan Brown book.

 

Are we Mary worshipers or Pope worshipers in this one?

 

See, the Holy Scriptures are not a book of history, as you think, and it we can see even by your post. God is not a storyteller, understand?

Scriptures are a book of deep revelations, it is the book of the Lord God, do you agree? 1 Cor.2:v.9-10 : - 9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. 10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

See, the king of Tyre was never an inhabitant of the Garden of God, the Garden of Eden, but never, much less he was wiser than Daniel, never, but never.

The things that God revealed by His Spirit to the prophet Ezekiel was written in allegorical language, understand?

In fact, God was not and is not speaking of the PERSONAGE you referred in your post, by the way a vulgar king. Actually God speaks by allegory of the former ruler of Eden, a former Cherub, Satan. The RULER of EDEN WAS THE MAIN TREE of EDEN. Eze. 31: v.7-10. All the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him.(v.9)

Speaking by allegory of the king of Tyre, in Ezekiel 28:v.13-15 God says:

13 - Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering ... prepared in thee in the day that thou was created.
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

See, the king of Tyre was never an inhabitant of the Garden of God, the Garden of Eden, but never.

The things that God revealed by His Spirit to the prophet Ezekiel was written in allegorical language, understand?

In fact, God was not and is not speaking of the vulgar PERSONAGE of history you referred in your post , yeah, actually a vulgar king,

but by allegory God is speaking of Satan, the former ruler of Eden, do not you discern this? Can't you discern the Spirit of God in the message of the prophet Ezekiel beyond the letter??

See, the own Scripture reveals that "the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life", do you agree? Consequently, if you interpret and preach Scriptures by the letter you kill the hearer or the reader, and become a killer, and you also die.

It would be good you re-study the matter but by the Spirit of God, not by the spirit of man or even by the letter of Scriptures, the letter kills.

You must see that in Ezekiel 28 God speaks allegoricaly of the king of Tyre, but He is referring to the former Cherub, Satan.

And in Ezekiel chapter 31 God speaks or reffers also to the former Cherub, Satan, but allegoricaly Satab is represented by Pharaoh, the king of Egypt, did not you see this detail?

Therefore, the two kings - king of Tyre and king of Egipt - referred in Ezekiel 28 and 31 both refers allegorically to the same EVIL personage, that is the Devil, the own Satan, a former ruler of Eden and the main TREE of the Garden of Eden.

In Christ JESUS , KING of kings (made them by him), and LORD of lords

 

We are indeed!

 

Today the men make idols not only of the clay of the earth, but of every kind of the dust of earth, even man was and is also made by the dust of the earth.

To whorship Mary or Mr. Pope is idolatry, and all kind of idolatry is of the Devil, and everyone who embrace an idolater and demonic cult will be cast into the lake of everlasting fire, the hell's fire.

There will not be forgiveness. All are lost for ever because there is no more sacrifice for forgiveness of sins, the sacrifice of Jesus was the last sacrifice offered for forgiveness of sins. By the way, the FULLNESS of Gentiles has arrived. The door is shut for the Gentile peoples for salvation.

Therefore thus will I do unto thee, O Israel: and because I will do this unto thee, prepare to meet thy God, O Israel.

The Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven in flaming FIRE taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not His gospel, the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the Glory of His Power;

In Christ JESUS, KING of kings (made them by Him) and LORD of lords

 

A CULTIC trait is trying to reduce Scripture to "figurative-symbolic" status to make it fit one's agenda. Well, it WON'T WORK! Scripture is mostly LITERAL.

The verses being cited DO refer to both Satan & the human kings of Tyre, especially the one who introduced his new idol Milqar to Tyre.

And the fulfilling of the prophecy against Tyre (and those against Egypt) prove the literality of those Scriptures. The old fortress of tyre is no more, & what's called Tyre today is inhabited by Lebanese, who were not its original inhabitants.

And today, we see Egypt as mostly a 3rd-world rat hole. It was once the RICHEST & among the most-powerful of nations. For centuries, it was ruled by foreigners, and now is dirt-poor, relying on tourism & foreign aid to stay afloat. And another prophecy, in Isaiah 19 about Egypt, has come to pass. While Egypt won't admit it, the 80 million Egyptians quake with fear every time one of the 6 million Jews in Israel rattles his Uzi. Israel has kicked their cans twice, & they don't want #3. (But God also said in Isaiah 19 that he's gonna bless Egypt & Assyria along with Israel, purging Egypt of idol-worship(getting ridda Islam, I assume) & a road will connect Israel, Egypt, & Assyria. (Who the Assyrians are today, & why He will bless them, I don't know; I only know what God said.)

 

Immediately it comes to mind that you would reject Matthew 26:26; Mark 14:22; Luke 22:19; and 1 Corinthians 11:24 as merely symbolic and not the Real Presence and where. John 6: 54-55 is mere mythology. Can you explain the contradiction?

JoeT

 

Yes, it would be if we did, but we don't, but I assume you see us headed into the everlasting flames regardless of what we state. Rabid anti-Catholics like yourself and the OP love to show your fangs.

 

Why do the iconoclasts who continually deride images as idolatrous keep posting idolatrous images?

 

FYI, Catholics do not believe in the Protestant notion of "once saved, always saved."

Perhaps you are unaware, but Hitler renounced Catholicism and despised it, calling it a "lie" and "nonsense". Furthermore, he sought to have the pope murdered. Hitler considered Catholics among the untermensch (subhuman masses) and killed hundreds of thousands of them.

"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is the illegitimate child of Christianity. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity." - Hitler, Table Talk

Sources: Hilter's Table Talk and the testimony of Erwin Lahousen, first witness for the prosecution at Nurnberg, Germany, Feb 1, 1946, Nothing Sacred, Alvarez and Graham, 84



P.S. Why does a self-proclaimed "Iconbuster" continually post icons and graven images?

 

Labor not for the meat which perisheth, but for that which endureth unto life everlasting, which the Son of man will give you. For him hath God, the Father, sealed.

We work toward things that are eternal given to us by God, an indelible seal that marks us like circumcision as just.

The seal is a symbol close to that of anointing. "The Father has set his seal" on Christ and also seals us in him. 50 Because this seal indicates the indelible effect of the anointing with the Holy Spirit in the sacraments of Baptism, Confirmation, and Holy Orders, the image of the seal (sphragis) has been used in some theological traditions to express the indelible "character" imprinted by these three unrepeatable sacraments. [CCC 698]​

Rightly Catholics are taught from Scripture that when we receive the Holy Spirit in Baptism we are sealed [Cf. 2 Corinthians 1:22], we remain sealed till the day of redemption, [Cf. Ephesians 4:30].

A seal of TRUE faith is the substance of knowledge in God. Substance can be thought of as the ‘what’ a thing is. Therefore faith is ‘what’ those things are that we hope for [Cf. Hebrew 11:1]. Consequently, Baptism is removal of the 'guilt' and the penalty of eternal death in the original sin (which in Adam results in our privation of original Justice, the forgiveness of actual sin (the focused consent of the will to enter into immoral acts), which the baptismal grace checks, at least in part, disordered desires (concupiscence) no longer entirely rules the psyche. We “baptized in Christ Jesus, are baptized in his death” consequently in our second Baptism we re-crucify Christ. One Baptism, One Seal, One Church.

Baptism plants us in the Church, not in a book, "in His own service, and put on you the armor of righteousness: may He fill you with heavenly things of the New Covenant, and give you the seal of the Holy Spirit indelible throughout all ages, in Christ Jesus Our Lord: to whom be the glory forever and ever! Amen." [Cyril of Jerusalem, Procatechesis, 17]. Baptism becomes a 'mark' or character similar to circumcision for the Hebrew; an identifying mark of the 'people of God'. Baptism is a spiritual mark that signifies we belong to the "Body of Christ" enabling participation in the liturgy and sacramental life of Christ. Baptism is the seal that certifies Salvation but only when kept intact. [Cf. CCC 1274,197, 2016]. And what should befall us should we not keep the seal?

Wherefore, then, my brethren, let us struggle with all earnestness, knowing that the contest is [in our case] close at hand, and that many undertake long voyages to strive for a corruptible reward; yet all are not crowned, but those only that have labored hard and striven gloriously. Let us therefore so strive, that we may all be crowned. Let us run the straight course, even the race that is incorruptible; and let us in great numbers set out for it, and strive that we may be crowned. And should we not all be able to obtain the crown, let us at least come near to it. We must remember that he who strives in the corruptible contest, if he be found acting unfairly, is taken away and scourged, and cast forth from the lists. What then think ye? If one does anything unseemly in the incorruptible contest, what shall he have to bear? For of those who do not preserve the seal [unbroken], [the Scripture] says, "Their worm shall not die, and their fire shall not be quenched, and they shall be a spectacle to all flesh." Isaiah 66:24 [St. Clement, Second Epistle, 7]​

Have the Chinese been selling you weak tea again? I can’t figure what this has to do with anything but Catholics. Many protest the sign, receiving the mark, their faith being quite delible. Once given to Jesus Christ “no one can snatch them out of the hand of my Father." [John 10:29] Not even a Baptist preacher. But, one always has free will to turn their back on Christ, walking with Christ no more. Even still, the mark remains. And as you step deeper into sin, the mark does not rub off; rather it is covered over, forgetting who the master is, even having the pretense of pretending to be the master.

Speaking of pretentiousness, Scripture was written by the Apostles for the authority of the Church only being understood within the Church.

The ‘sign of the cross’ is just that, a sign of our baptism. It is recalling our baptismal vows and receipt of that ‘indelible mark’. Furthermore, we ask for blessing in the name of “the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit” after Matthew 28:19-20. The ‘mark’ is received once in one Baptism - attempting to re-baptize as I’ve said earlier is to re-crucify Christ.

How utterly coincidental that Satan would enact false ‘marks’, or is it? What is more incredible is that confessing a book in which His Word is completely undone.

The devil’s doctrine removes hope - he wants chaos and strife both in the heart and the soul as well as in Satan’s kingdom. Un-sealing doesn’t seal us as members of Christ’s Kingdom, I think you got something backwards, if it could be done, it condemns you.

Do you read more fiction than Scripture? It was the errors of Protestantism that gave birth to Hitler who renounced the Church and persecuted her.



JoeT

 

In my previous post I failed to mention a salient point being, God fulfills His promises to the letter. By the methods of "Sola Scriptura", in receiving the Holy Spirit in Baptism we are sealed [Cf. 2 Corinthians 1:22], we remain sealed till the day of redemption, [Cf. Ephesians 4:30]. The prophets of the Old Testament conveyed the promises of the Law, Israel failed their part. Christ perfected the Law of the Old Testament making the Law a "Law of life" [Cf. Matthew 5:18; Romans 8:2].

We conclude therefore, like circumcision, the Mark of the Holy Spirit identifies us as belonging to Christ meriting the Spirit in the heart, mind and soul. The short of it the indelible mark is not removable. The one who gives a "grace", i.e. a gift, does not later want it back, or expect something of equivalent worth in return for His gift is of love.

JoeT

 

there will only be 36 K Jews, from the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, & Levi. Those tribes make up the Jews.The rest will be Israelis of the other tribes.

 

I hope a Moderator will go through this thread and count the number of times the OP responded/debated anyone. ZILCH!!! Isn't the purpose of this forum to ENGAGE other Christians in doctrine/biblical views? The BB used to prohibit this kind of posting. All 'Protestant'has done is one cut & paste after another and was either too lazy/arrogant/unwilling,/ unable etc to defend the garbage he spewed here.