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What I read from, looks a bit different than yours, so I'm trying to determine where the "when" came from...NKJV?

" Now concerning spiritual [gifts], brethren, I would not have you ignorant.
2 Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.
3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and [that] no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9 to another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10 to another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another [divers] kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
11 but all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will." ( 1 Corinthians 12:1-11 ).

"When" I was a Gentile?
I still am, in a manner of speaking.

But, all believers are made "nigh" by the blood of Christ ( Ephesians 2:11-18 ), and are this:

" Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;" ( Ephesians 2:19 ).

 

I see how you connect them, and I agree, for the most part...but not with Matthew 19:28.

I'm not a "dispie", but it seems I have both aspects of Dispensationalism and Covenentalism in my understanding.

However, I don't like trying to fit Scripture into "frameworks", so I shy away from anything "systematic" as much as possible.

 

ASV

1 Corinthians 12:2 You know that when you were pagans, you were influenced and led astray to mute idols.

No, you're a Jew:

29 but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. Ro 2

...you're the circumcision:

2 Beware of the dogs, beware of the evil workers, beware of the concision:
3 for we are the circumcision, who worship by the Spirit of God, and glory in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh: Phil 3

...you're the Israel of God:

15 For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
16 And as many as shall walk by this rule, peace be upon them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God. Gal 6

 

Revealing Grace + Repentance + Faith + Election + Spiritual Baptism + Conversion + Indwelling = Salvation + Good Works

Where:

Revealing Grace = hearing and understanding the call through the gospel of Christ.

Repentance + Faith = turning from our self-centered life to trusting in Christ alone with our life, now and forever.

Election = God choosing for salvation those whose faith He credits as righteousness.

Spiritual Baptism = God sets a person apart by placing them spiritually “in Christ.”

Conversion = Once “in Christ” a person undergoes the circumcision of Christ and arises “in Christ” a new creation, created for good works. It is a spiritual work of God, not us changing our minds. As a new creation we have been "regenerated" or originated again. We have been made alive together with Christ. When we are "born anew" we are born spiritually alive in Christ whereas originally we were born spiritually dead outside of Christ in iniquity.

Indwelling = After God puts us spiritually in Christ, He seals us with the Holy Spirit forever. The Holy Spirit provides each born anew (converted) believer with light to understand the meat of God’s word, awareness of the will of God, and brings to mind our sins such that we are convicted. As we grow more mature, we will exhibit the fruit of the Spirit.

Salvation = First our "spiritual baptism into Christ" results in "positional sanctification" freeing us from the penalty of sin; Next as our indwelt Holy Spirit leads us from new born Christian to Christian maturity describes our "progressive sanctification" freeing us from the power of sin; and finally our adoption in glorified bodies at Christ's second coming results in our "ultimate sanctification" freeing us from the presence of sin.

Good Works = reflects our accomplishments for Christ after our positional sanctification and conversion during the remainder of our physical lifetime. If we build on Christ's foundation, we will enter heaven "abundantly" but if our "good works" burn up like straw, we still enter heaven, but as one escaping from a fire.

 

Ooo...you're a sneaky one.
I can't disagree with you, though.

Thanks for pointing those out.

 

Hi Glad4mercy, our view of scripture differs.

Your view is Ephesians 1:4 refers to an individual election before creation. My view is it refers to a corporate election, when God individually chose the Word to be His Redeemer, He therefore chose everyone His Redeemer would redeem corporately, that is why it reads "chose us in Him."

Spiritual baptism (being placed in Christ) Conversion and Indwelling happen without delay, but in that sequence, and not simultaneously. You must be in Christ to be sealed in Christ.

Yes we are born anew for good works, which is what I said. Good Works = reflects our accomplishments for Christ after our positional sanctification and conversion during the remainder of our physical lifetime. If we build on Christ's foundation, we will enter heaven "abundantly" but if our "good works" burn up like straw, we still enter heaven, but as one escaping from a fire.

Another way to demonstrate our individual election occurred during our lifetime is to understand James 2:5, God chose us as (1) poor to the world, (2) rich in faith, and (3) heirs to the kingdom promised to those who love God. Therefore our individual election before creation is precluded by scripture.

 

Again we must be in Christ in order to sealed in Christ. Ephesians 1:13
My understanding of "foreknowledge"as used in scripture is probably different from yours. Foreknowledge refers to using or implementing knowledge, such as a prior plan, in the present. Thus Christ was put to death according to the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God.

Lets take another example, Paul was raised as a Pharisee. The people who grew up with him had that knowledge from the past. Acts 26:5. Now translations vary but the word "knew" actually means foreknew, or to know beforehand, sometime in the past.

 

Precious little or no mention of 'sin', by experts on a subject for which they say they have been introduced and possess, gives me pause.

 

So. Wow. Does your passage overrule/cancel out/contradict my passage?

If the Church/children of promise is not 'the Israel of God', then who is?

15 For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
16 And as many as shall walk by this rule, peace be upon them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God. Gal 6

15 having abolished in the flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; that he might create in himself of the two one new man, so making peace; Eph 2

 

That's because you have to have aspects of both to be biblical.

 

To repeat once again, and shown in Ephesians 1:13, we must be put into Christ before we can be sealed in Christ with the Holy Spirit.

Where did you see "saving faith" in scripture? What scripture actually says is God chooses us for salvation through (1) the sanctification by the Spirit, and (2) faith in the truth. Sanctification by the Spirit refers to God setting us apart in Christ and presents the means of our election, and through faith in the truth refers to God crediting our faith to us as righteousness, and presents the basis of our conditional election for salvation. 2 Thessalonians 2:13

 

I have a theory.

What 'if' the Holy Spirit in a child of God were to look for
'What God would have us to Understand'?

...rather than,
'Calvin was a man and people that I think are Calvinist add to the Scripture?'

This First Mention in The Bible that Records where
Abraham "believed in The Lord",
says, "he believed in the Lord".

Genesis 15:6 "And he believed in the LORD;
and he counted it to him for righteousness".

* "And he believed in the Lord..."
The Targums of Onkelos and Jonathan are,



``in the Word of the Lord;''


in the essential Word of the Lord,
in Christ the Lord his righteousness;

he believed in the promise of God,
that he should have a seed,
and a very numerous one;

he believed that the Messiah
would spring from his seed;

he believed in him as his Saviour and Redeemer;

he believed in him for righteousness,
and he believed in his righteousness
as justifying him before God:

My Note:

Abraham believed
in JESUS' LIFE, DEATH, and RESURRECTION for Righteousness,

and Abraham believed in JESUS' Righteousness
as JESUS' LIFE, DEATH, and RESURRECTION

as The ACTIVITY of God in Justifying Abraham before God:


to JUSTIFY
Abraham's UNJUSTNESS.

Abraham was
Saved by The Savior from his SIN.

JESUS is THE SAVIOR.


"and he counted it to him for righteousness";

not the act of his faith, but the object of it,

My Note: The Object of Abraham's Faith was
THE TRIUNE GODHEAD;

and Their Accomplishment of The Eternal Plan of Salvation,
through Jesus' Death, Burial, and Resurrection.

he counted it >
The Object of Abraham's Faith,
THE SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST, and Jesus' Death, Burial, and Resurrection.
< to him for righteousness"

and not the promise he believed,
but what was promised,

and his faith received,
even Christ and his righteousness
this was imputed to him without works,

and while he was an uncircumcised person,
for the proof of which the apostle produces this passage, ( Romans 4:3 Romans 4:10 Romans 4:23 Romans 4:24 ) ;

wherefore this is not to be understood
of any action of his being esteemed
and accounted a righteous one,

and he pronounced
and acknowledged a righteous person on account of it;

for Abram was not justified before God
by his own works,

but by the righteousness of faith,
as all that believe are,

that is, by the righteousness of Christ
revealed to faith, and received by it:

what is imputed is without a man,
and the imputation of it depends upon the will of another;

Note: THE TRIUNE GODHEAD; and Their Accomplishment of The Eternal Plan of Salvation, through Jesus' Death, Burial, and Resurrection.

such the righteousness of Christ
without works imputed by God the Father.

This is the first time we read of believing,
and as early do we hear of imputed righteousness.
...

My Note: We do not 'hear' of Imputed Rightiousness here, and yet we understand that from the Teaching of the rest of The Bible, which we have.

*this info is Gill, from: Genesis 15:6 Commentary - John Gill's Exposition of the Bible

...on which subject I would like to repeat:

I have a theory.

What 'if' the Holy Spirit in a child of God were to look for
'What God would have us to Understand'?

...rather than,
'Calvin was a man
and people that I think are Calvinist
add to the Scripture?'