Did you see a quote for innate faith? Nope. So instead I am charged with deflection. Go figure.
At least one quote has been given in other threads. But, has there been even a slight sign of repentance and recantation? No just deflection by claims such as that shown.
Is becoming a new creation in Christ in dispute? Nope so yet more obfuscation.
Does this person state that the new creation includes a new will and Godly faith? Or does this person continue to present that something left over from the old nature is going to enter heaven?
See how deflection from being exposed to error continues?
Did I say "attract" God's attention? Nope so yet more fabrication. The false insinuations are posted non-stop.
Again, quoted in at least one other threads. But, notice the false insinuation is proposed as a deflection. Rather than a repentance and recantation.
Here is the question these guys deflect again and again:
1Co 15:14
and if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is vain,
your faith also is vain.
See, this is the very proof of what is stated above. The poster requires one to consider that the gift of faith given by God is the human faith one is born with. As sinful and unable to attain righteousness as any other human attributes. Rather than acknowledge that saving faith, that which God grants to all who He chooses, is a gift from God. That as a gift given, the faith is our faith, your faith, my faith, ...
Jas 2:18
But someone may
well say, “You have faith and I have works; show me
your faith without the works, and I will show you
my faith by my works.”
Again the poster presents the possessive personal pronouns as if James is presenting something of a human attribute faith. He is not.
In fact, James is showing that faith (the assurance) from God is with purpose and meaning and is active in the head, heart and hands of a believer. That human faith (mere hope so) is all talk with little in the manner of walk.
Folks, ask yourselves, if our faith is instilled by irresistible grace, how could it be in vain. Could the Calvinist dogma be in vain?
See how the poster becomes confused and must ask questions that are meant to confuse others? Because the poster does not recognize the significance of the gift of faith referred to in Ephesians, but makes such a faith as a innate (born with) human attribute, then the poster cannot properly distinguish what James is sharing concerning the faith from God that is with purpose, meaning, and compels the believer to live and work as God would guide, in comparison to that failed sin ravaged hope (faith) in which is agenda filled and at best guarding against disappointment. Such faith has no assurance nor substance of and from God.
Pay no attention to the endless false claims posted to smear me and change the subject. This is their only defense for the false dogma.
Remember the topic is Romans 11.
Smear?
Really?
It is nothing other than a call for repentance and recantation of error.
The topic of the thread may be Romans 11, but the poster brought up irresistible grace, and brought up the possessive pronouns, and has again been shown to be in error.
Perhaps the grace of God will be given to repent and recant.
Here is a great verse in which Paul uses that which God grants to us that which is possessed by us and is expressed through us because It comes from Him. It is one of the times we see Paul's type of prayer:
14For this reason I bow my knees before the Father,
15from whom every family in heaven and on earth is named,
16that according to the riches of his glory he may
grant you to be strengthened with power through his Spirit in your inner being, 17so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith—that you, being rooted and grounded in love, 18may have strength to comprehend with all the saints what is the breadth and length and height and depth,
19and to know the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.
20Now to him who is able to do far more abundantly than all that we ask or think,
according to the power at work within us, 21to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, forever and ever. Amen.
What is the "power at work within us" if it is not that Holy Spirit?
To what purpose is such strengthening if it is not that Christ may dwell in your heart?
How is the Christ brought to dwell in the heart if it is not through that faith which brings comprehendible assurance of that which cannot be measured and surpasses knowledge?
Does such faith even sound human like?
Does human faith ever bring unity? Here is the God given faith in action:
13until we all attain to the
unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood,
e to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ,
How about Pauls statement concerning where faith comes? He is very specific:
4But God, being
rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5even when
we were dead in our trespasses,
made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—
6and r
aised us up with him and
seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
7so that in the coming ages
he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
8For by grace
you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
10For
we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
Human faith is dead. Human faith is not responsive to God.
Again, the passage is clear.
God "made us alive."
God "raised us up."
God "seated us."
Why? "To show the immeasurable riches of His grace toward us" and "for good works."
How? "Saved through faith, NOT OF YOUR OWN DOING: it is the gift of God."
Now, I don't know if the reader understands how desperately wrong Van is on this matter, but certainly the reader understands that Paul's message to the Ephesians is without error.