The Doctrine of Purgatory in Catholic Biblical Perspective

Protestant denominations ARE part of the catholic church, just not the Catholic church. You try to use your name to say it is the one universal church but again, the church is no organization. It's a lie Catholics try to use to give an air of superiority that they are the "one true church."

 

Read closely:

1 Cor. 3:10-15
"According to the grace of God given to me, like a wise master builder I laid a foundation, and another is building upon it. But each one must be careful how he builds upon it, for no one can lay a foundation other than the one that is there, namely, Jesus Christ. If anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, or straw, the work of each will come to light, for the Day (judgment) will disclose it. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test the quality of each one’s work. If the work stands that someone built upon the foundation, that person will receive a wage. But if someone’s work is burned up, THAT ONE WILL SUFFER LOSS; the person WILL be saved, but only as through fire."

The person will SUFFER LOSS - as through fire.

This passage is NOT talking about Heaven because there is suffering.
Heaven is a place where there is NO suffering - ZERO.
There cannot be suffering in Heaven because it is completely devoid of imperfection and impurity (Rev. 21:27).

This place cannot be Hell because the person is SAVED.
This is talking about another state of being - that of final purification.

 

Protestant denominations are related to the Catholic Church.
Unfortunately - they are self-separated from that ONE Church Christ built.

It is an oxymoron to say you are Protestant and Catholic.
It's like saying you are male AND female.

 

What evidence is there that is not also a forgery falsely attributed to Ignatius?

The Ignatian Epistles Entirely Spurious by W. D. (William Dool) Killen - Full Text Free Book

 

Ahhhhhh, yes - the final refuge of the truly desperate - cry, "Forgery!"
So, it's come to this . . .

 

The Catholic Church gets its name from the GREEK for “according to the whole” and “universal” - καθ ολης, which is pronounced “katah-holos”.

In the 2nd century document, The Martyrdom of Polycarp, we see the word “Catholic” again – but this time, in a much clearer context. Speaking of the Early Church, the author of this document makes the following statement:

“When finally he concluded his prayer, after remembering all who had at any time come his way – small folk and great folk, distinguished and undistinguished, and the whole Catholic Church throughout the world – the time for departure came.”

IF this was being used as a mere description and not a title - the literal translation would be rendered as: “… the throughout whole catholic church throughout the world.”

This rendering of the words is gibberish in Greek OR English. This is clear evidence that the Church established by Jesus and the Apostles was indeed called "The Catholic Church" – as a title– by the end of the first century and beyond.

 

Yes, catholic (little c).

Again, you don't seem to understand the difference between catholic and Catholic.

 

You think I haven't read it?

 

Again big C vs little c.

This is about the most idiotic argument I have heard yet.

 

Clearly you are talking out of your hat and making it up as you go along...

---> "big C vs. little c" is a fallacious argument because minuscule Greek lettering was not invented until the 9th century.

---> Furthermore, Catholic Church is a proper noun. Do you recall from your primary school grammar lessons how proper nouns are treated?

Feel free to offer an actual refutation and or formulate an objection to the etymology of the Catholic Church from ἐκκλησίαι καθ᾽ ὅλης.

(Calling something idiotic ≠ a refutation.)

 

Catholic Church is only a proper noun if you are referring to the RCC, not the universal church that belongs to Christ.

And I'm not making anything up as I go, NOR am I talking about Greek. I'm very well aware of the way Greek was written in the first century which is why post #106 from @MarysSon was completely idiotic. But I don't see you going after him on his Greek...

 

Wrong, as the Latin, presumably what you call the "Roman" Church is but one Church comprising the Catholic Church. Both are proper nouns.

(This is Christianity 101.)

Please provide the etymology for the "Catholic Church".

 

I'm just waiting for someone to take the bait and tell me they have no punishment due for their sins. So far, all is quiet on the Western front!

 

Because Jesus Christ took the punishment for our sin for those who are saved.

 

There is NO difference.

There is ONE Catholic Church - not tens of thousands of disjointed and perpetually-splintering Protestant sects of Catholicism - ALL teaching different doctrines yet ALL claiming to be "catholic".

You can't have it both ways . . .

 

Then show me why it's so "idiotic".

Making a claim is one thing - but proving it is another kettle of fish . . .

 

No - you haven't explained it.
You haven't been able to refute the Catholic position on 1 Cor. 3:10-15.

I've been waiting for a refutation that hasn't come.

 

Death is punishment for sin. If all the punishment due for your sins has been paid, why are Protestants still suffering death?

Death is the ultimate example of Protestants implicitly accepting the concept of purgatory, that is, the temporal punishment due to sin. For unless you plan on riding out your life until the eschaton, you cannot escape death.

 

Actually - post #106 was linguistically spot-on.
The language of the document would have been ludicrously redundant if "Catholic Church" has NOT been used as a proper noun - as a title.

 

And you can't have the church of Christ teaching something other than the Bible.