1. Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Estimated Dates of the Events of the 1 Year Great Tribulation of the Earth

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by gaviria.christian, Nov 2, 2019.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. David Kent

    David Kent Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2017
    Messages:
    2,374
    Likes Received:
    312
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Jeremiah 31:33
     
  2. Reformed1689

    Reformed1689 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2019
    Messages:
    9,905
    Likes Received:
    1,820
    Faith:
    Baptist
    What on earth are you babbling about?
     
  3. Aaron

    Aaron Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2000
    Messages:
    20,253
    Likes Received:
    1,381
    Faith:
    Baptist
    It would give you pause before you posted the drivel with which you opened this thread.
     
  4. Aaron

    Aaron Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2000
    Messages:
    20,253
    Likes Received:
    1,381
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Actually, we have the Author of the Torah living in us. We have no need of Torah. It is fulfilled in us who walk after the Spirit.
     
  5. robycop3

    robycop3 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2000
    Messages:
    14,396
    Likes Received:
    672
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Because SCRIPTURE sayS ONE MAN !
     
  6. robycop3

    robycop3 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2000
    Messages:
    14,396
    Likes Received:
    672
    Faith:
    Baptist
    While most of your schlock isn't as bad as Gaviria Christian's is, it's still schlock. You both entertain the goofy theory that the AC is the line of popes, an old false idea invented by early protestants, while SCRIPTURE says it'll be ONE MAN.

    Victor Immanuel II united Italy & ruled only italy, not the world. After Italy was united, the rest of his reign was quiet, with no great tribulation & certainly no anti-Christian campaign.

    Your preterist notions are all false.
     
  7. robycop3

    robycop3 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2000
    Messages:
    14,396
    Likes Received:
    672
    Faith:
    Baptist
    We true Christians are not "Torahless". We have the WHOLE BIBLE. not just the most-ancient parts.

    JESUS fulfilled all its sacrificial requirements once, in behalf of all mankind. And He declared thru Paul & others that we are no longer under "the law".

    Jesus Himself modified the Torah, as He showed by forgiving the adulterous woman, when the Torah decreed that all adulterers were to be stoned. Now, while adultery is still a sin, of course, Jesus can forgive it if the adulterer repents & asks Him to forgive it.

    But if you hope to be saved by following the Torah, you must follow it EXACTLY, without the slightest error, or you're guilty of disobeying it all, as Scripture says.

    As for me & my house, we shall obey God & rely on JESUS for forgiveness & salvation from our sins' penalty.
     
  8. gaviria.christian

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2019
    Messages:
    156
    Likes Received:
    1
    Faith:
    Seeking Christ
    You've misinterpreted scripture. The context of the little horn of Daniel is Rome, because the little horn pertains to the 4th kingdom, which is Rome, which implies that the "false anointed one" had to have been the Roman popes, a succession of Roman popes that discard the Torah, "the man of torahlessness", who persecuted the people of God through inquisitions and massacres exactly as prophesied they would do, then became the prostitute of Babylon through Vatican City, seated in the city of seven mountains, which is Rome. All of this is very obvious, but to the blind and ignorant and stubborn it is not. And these Roman popes have deceived the entire world into believing the Torah is discarded, even you have been deceived by it, and that is why the deception is so great, because not only believers like yourself fail to identify the true antichrist, but also fail to identify the lie, because you yourselves have been deceived by it, and are on a path to destruction without even realizing it.
     
  9. gaviria.christian

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2019
    Messages:
    156
    Likes Received:
    1
    Faith:
    Seeking Christ
    Obedience is a necessary aspect of salvation. If you do not obey, you will not be saved, no matter how much you believe. What must we obey? The Torah, which has all the commands of God that define what "sin" is. And that is why the Messiah said, "I did not come to abolish the Torah", because you cannot abolish a Torah that defines what sin is while sin still exists in creation. It is absurd to surmise so, and to go against the words of the Messiah who promulgated obedience to the Torah, not disobedience to the Torah, which is torahlessness. You people have been deceived into believing the Torah is done away with, and are on a path of destruction.
     
  10. Reformed1689

    Reformed1689 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2019
    Messages:
    9,905
    Likes Received:
    1,820
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Out of context. You are quoting only part of Matthew 5:17. What is the whole verse?

    “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them." (ESV)

    He didn't abolish them he FULFILLED THEM. We are no longer under the law.

    Do you still make animal sacrifices? Do you do all of your cleansings? Do you have a priest who goes into the temple for you?
     
  11. gaviria.christian

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2019
    Messages:
    156
    Likes Received:
    1
    Faith:
    Seeking Christ
    The autumn appointed times of the Torah have not been fulfilled by the Messiah yet, because they pertain to his second coming. The trumpet blasts, the Day of Atonement, and the Feast of Tabernacles. Whereas the Passover, first fruits of barley, and Pentecost of the Torah were all fulfilled in his first coming, by his death, resurrection, and sending his anointing, on the specific days of these spring appointed times of the Torah. So the Torah has not been fulfilled entirely as of yet, hence, "UNTIL heaven and earth passes away, not one jot or one tittle will pass away from the Torah, UNTIL all is fulfilled", because by the time heaven and earth passes away, then the entire Torah will be fulfilled, which will then pass away, but not before. And even during the 1,000 year rulership of the Messiah, he will rule by the words written in the Torah, hence, "and from Mount Zion shall go forth the Torah". Why? Because the Torah is still binding. Surprise. And that is why he said, "I did not come to abolish the Torah" and "it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one jot or one tittle to pass away from the Torah".

    And finally, you are asking about matters of Torah that were abolished under the new covenant. It is written, "when there is a change of priesthood then there must be a change in Torah". The Torah was changed, which is why circumcision, foods, drinks, feasts, new moons, and shabbaths are not required under the new covenant. With this understanding many of the commands relating to these things are set aside, and what we are left with are the things that are still required, such as you shall not steal, you shall not commit murder, a man shall not dress as a woman, you shall not charge your brother interest, you shall wear tzitzit, you shall put mezuzah on your doorposts, and you shall open your hand wide to the poor, etc. All these commands are good, and righteous, and set-apart. Only an idiot discards the Torah, unaware that it is the "righteousness" of God revealed in written format, hence, "and these commands shall be your righteousness" and "these commands will show your wisdom to all the nations", for the Torah is how God intends a righteous society to be run by.
     
  12. Oseas3

    Oseas3 Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2019
    Messages:
    915
    Likes Received:
    26
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian

    Completely false, only tares, let us burn this satanic tares you are spreading. You are mistaken and deceiving the readers here on this Christian site.

    With these devilish theories you are working for the Red Dragon, as a follower of him, the old Serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan.
     
  13. gaviria.christian

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2019
    Messages:
    156
    Likes Received:
    1
    Faith:
    Seeking Christ
    The Messiah was also accused of having a demon when he spoke the truth. The only true sons of Satan are you people, who discard the truth, because you yourselves are not in the truth.
     
  14. Reformed1689

    Reformed1689 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2019
    Messages:
    9,905
    Likes Received:
    1,820
    Faith:
    Baptist
    There is zero Scriptural support for your positions. I am done arguing with fools.
     
  15. gaviria.christian

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2019
    Messages:
    156
    Likes Received:
    1
    Faith:
    Seeking Christ
    Actually there is, and much support that what I am saying is true. The only reason why you people discard the Torah is because you do not want to obey the Torah. You hate the Torah, and rather than perceive it as righteous and good and set-apart, you perceive it as a burden, and want nothing to do with it. And that is why you people are on a path of destruction, because you have discarded the commands of God, and so bring curses and death upon yourselves. That is why the entire earth is going to be destroyed at the second coming of the Messiah, because of people like you. Fools.

    See, Yehovah is going to lay waste the earth and devastate it; he will ruin its face and scatter its inhabitants, it will be the same for priest as for people, for the master as for his servant, for the mistress as for her servant, for seller as for buyer, for borrower as for lender, for debtor as for creditor. The earth will be completely laid waste and totally plundered. Yehovah has spoken this word. The earth dries up and withers, the world languishes and withers, the heavens languish with the earth. The earth is defiled by its people; they have disobeyed the Torah, violated the statutes and broken the aeonial covenant. Therefore a curse consumes the earth; its people must bear their guilt. Therefore earth’s inhabitants are burned up, and very few are left.
    Isaiah 24:1-6

    Hear, O earth; behold, I am bringing disaster upon this people, the fruit of their devices, because they have not paid attention to my words; and as for my Torah, they have rejected it.
    Jeremiah 6:19
     
  16. Reformed1689

    Reformed1689 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2019
    Messages:
    9,905
    Likes Received:
    1,820
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Ok this will be my last reponse to you. First of all, we do not discard the Torah. That is a strawman argument.
    Also strawman. We do not hate the books of Moses. We rightly recognize parts of it that were only to the Nation of Israel and parts that are universal.

    You ignored the important question. Do you still offer sacrifices? Do you still follow the law 100%? I highly doubt it. So this self-righteous superiority is just making you to be a fool. Christ said the law has been fulfilled.
     
  17. gaviria.christian

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2019
    Messages:
    156
    Likes Received:
    1
    Faith:
    Seeking Christ
    Saying that the entire Torah has been fulfilled and that we are no longer obligated to obey it IS discarding the Torah. The Torah is still binding, and will be entirely fulfilled once heaven and earth passes away, this is the truth.

    And finally, since it is obvious you didn't read my other response, I repeat, you are asking about matters of Torah that were abolished under the new covenant. It is written, "when there is a change of priesthood then there must be a change in Torah". The Torah was changed, which is why circumcision, foods, drinks, feasts, new moons, and shabbaths are not required under the new covenant. With this understanding many of the commands relating to these things are set aside, and what we are left with are the things that are still required, such as you shall not steal, you shall not commit murder, a man shall not dress as a woman, you shall not charge your brother interest, you shall wear tzitzit, you shall put mezuzah on your doorposts, and you shall open your hand wide to the poor, etc. All these commands are good, and righteous, and set-apart. Only an idiot discards the Torah, unaware that it is the "righteousness" of God revealed in written format, hence, "and these commands shall be your righteousness" and "these commands will show your wisdom to all the nations", for the Torah is how God intends a righteous society to be run by.
     
  18. Reformed1689

    Reformed1689 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2019
    Messages:
    9,905
    Likes Received:
    1,820
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Strawman
     
  19. Oseas3

    Oseas3 Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2019
    Messages:
    915
    Likes Received:
    26
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    Yes, the Jews accused the promised Messiah having a demon, but JESUS had not demon, actually He was/is the Almight, the Word made flesh. The Word is God. By the way, the Jews crucified the true Messiah, they preferred Barabbas instead JESUS, Barabbas was a demon, a son of Devil, like Cain, the same like you are.

    You are a follower of the false messiah of the Jews, the esoteric/spiritist/kabbalistic false messiah of the Jews, the own Satan incarnated, a former Cherub, the son of perdition, the MAN of sin, even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, and with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the Truth, that they might be saved.

    You will worship the esoteric/spiritist/kabbalistic false messiah, Eliyahu, AN IMPOSTER, who will oppose and exalte himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God will sit in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God, yeah, you will worship him for your spirit is linked in him. JESUS prophesied and warned the Jews about this satanic messiah, the esoteric/spiritist/kabbalistic messiah of the Jews: John 5:v.43. Check it. ,
     
  20. gaviria.christian

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2019
    Messages:
    156
    Likes Received:
    1
    Faith:
    Seeking Christ
    False accusations. I do not teach nor follow Kabbalah, nor am I a Satan worshiper. I teach obedience to the Torah, through belief in Yeshuah. This is good and righteous and set-apart. You are not in the truth, a torahless believer, who knows nothing, and reproaches a man of God that teaches the truth and obedience to the Torah, which the Yeshuah himself also taught. It is you who follows after a false Messiah under a false gospel, the one taught by the Roman popes, the true antichrist, whom you have been deceived by.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
Loading...