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Um, you realized I answered in the post directly in front of this one? Post #40.

 

1) I agree.

But to me, it's far better than almost everything I've seen in the English, to date.
Personally, I cannot think of any English translation that I would recommend more for its accuracy, than the AV.

2) Agreed.
Those are two of the passages that come to mind.

As for the "KJV" being "outdated", I think that it is often thought of this way because the English it was translated into, has become more and more "distanced" with time.
However, that does not mean that it cannot be understood.

I've read it all my life, and it has only become more and more familiar, like a favorite blanket, over that time.
Yes, I agree that an updated translation would solve quite a few minor misunderstandings about the text.

Still, I understood that "quickened" = "made alive" some years ago, and I didn't even need a newer translation in my own language to tell me that.
All I had to do was look up "quickened" in the dictionary, and use that definition.


Side note:
In La Sainte Bible, Louis Segond edition ( French TR translation ), the phrase "quickened together with Him " ( Greek, "συζωοποιέω", transliterated into English as " syzōopoieō " and meaning " he-together-makes-alive " ), is " rendus à la vie avec lui ", or "returned to life with Him" in Colossians 2:13.



As I see it, persistence and a love of ( and desire to know ) the Bible thoroughly ( in whatever language it's written in ) are all that's really needed.

 

So, as usual, you ignore the substance of the post because you can't argue against it. Typical.

 

Honestly I have no idea what you are trying to say here. That is because I am giving you the benefit of the doubt otherwise at face value you do not appear to have a grasp on this issue at all.

Death without any context simply means to be separated. Spiritual death means to be spiritually separated from God. In other words no relationship. Literally no relationship.

Our use of the word death when we physically die does not define the word death it only gives it context.

 

And, as @Revmitchell pointed out to you, you do not have a grasp on this issue.

 

You didn't answer a question, I answered YOUR question and then you ignored my answer.

 

In my experience, to include this board, it is about the totality of depravity not the literalness of the spiritual death.

I disagree with them but we need to be fair to their argument.

 

I doubt it was your intention but I wanted to clear up the issue. There is no depth of dead. Dead is dead. There is depth to depravity and what you are attempting to address should be dealt with in the area of depravity not death.

 

Then, Physical Death following Spiritual Death, is The Second Death.

 

As I understand spiritual death is the conscious state of the damned in life and in hell. In this condition we cannot know God in any good way. And our spirit is enslaved to the flesh. But for some, God circumcises our hearts (provides the new birth) freeing us from slavery to the flesh and making us alive unto him.

 

You are getting so caught up on Calvinism for no reason. You do realize Calvinists are not the only ones who believe we were spiritually dead before salvation right? I'm sure @Revmitchell and others believe this too.

 

The second death mentioned in revelation is a result of dying physically while being spiritually dead. Believers who die physically while having spiritual life do not suffer "second death".

What is the second death? | GotQuestions.org
Question: "What is the second death?"

"Answer: The second death is mentioned on multiple occasions in the book of Revelation and is synonymous with the lake of fire. It is a “death” in that it is a separation from God, the Giver of life. It is called the “second” one because it follows physical death.

Revelation 21:8 explains the second death in the most detail: “The cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars – their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”"

 

Yes, so the First, Pysical Life, contains Physical Life.

That Physical Life is Spiritually Dead.

Then, if the Spiritually Dead, Die, Pysically, they are Twice Dead.

The Second Death.