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Jesus Christ was Born of Woman . . . fact or fiction?

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by JoeT, Nov 18, 2019.

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  1. Particular

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    I love how your mind works.
    Ironic how church dogma is your only source, yet you think the verses in scripture aren't enough to prove Mary and Joseph had kids.
     
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    Of course he is. He's heir through....Joseph.
    Hmmm...let that sink in and crush your theory...
     
  3. Walpole

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    The FrankenLogos lives!
     
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    Ironic that you dogmatically proclaim Mary had multiple subsequent maternities without posting one verse of Scripture to support it.
     
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    That covenant includes being under the line King David. You are the one with the struggle.

    Read closely, SINCE CHILDREN SHARE IN THE FLESH AND BLOOD, HE (JESUS) partook of the SAME.

    Hebrews 2

    14Therefore, since the children share in flesh and blood, He Himself likewise also partook of the same, that through death He might render powerless him who had the power of death, that is, the devil,


    Hebrews 2

    17 For this reason He had to be made like His brothers in every way, so that He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, in order to make atonement for the sins of the people.


    You are wanting a viable fetus transplanted into Mary. Not happening. It would violate the scriptures. The old testament is clear with the lineage to David.
     
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    Again, Noah and his family were saved through the water, not by the water. The water of the deluge washed away the sin of the world, thereby saving Noah and his family. Through the water, creation was made anew. (cf. Gen 9:1)

    As St. Peter says, baptism is the anti-type of the waters of the deluge. The waters of baptism now cleanse not our flesh, but our sin. (cf. Acts 2:38, Acts 22:16, Titus 3:5) Hence its effect is not on our flesh (i.e. removal of dirt), but rather on our interior. Through our baptism, we are made anew. (cf. John 3:5, Romans 6:4)

    As for immersion versus sprinkling, I find it an odd objection to argue about the volume of water and its application given you and the others are arguing the water is itself just a symbol. (I am happy to discuss this though if you want to move on to it.)


    Why do you need to go through the trouble of being baptized if that's all you are doing? Can't you just choose to no longer live for this world, but to live for God and His Kingdom without being baptized? In other words, if it is just an empty ritual, why bother?
     
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    You're saying God couldn't make himself in human form without Mary's egg. My how you limit God.
    Second, the lineage to Kingship is through Joseph. Think about it...
     
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    Docetism - Christ was born of woman remember?

    JoeT
     
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    WRONG again.

    Joseph was His STEPfather – not His blood relative.

    Besides – according to traditional Jewish law (halacha), Jewishness is passed down through the MOTHER. So, if your mother was Jewish, YOU are too.

    From Who Is a Jew: Matrilineal Descent | My Jewish Learning

    Jesus got His Davidic bloodline from His MOTHER Mary.

    Do your HOMEWORK . . .
     
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    We are seeing in real time how the Church's Marian dogmas safeguard orthodox Chrstology and Trinitarian theology. All in the name of rejecting the Mother of God, some Protestant posters are willing to throw out the basic tenets of the Christian faith, rejecting the hypostatic union and instead insisting Christ merely used Mary as a teleporter, passing through her like water passing through a pipe.

    It's astonishing to see.
     
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    It's pathetic, really.
     
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    If Mary bore one Son that was Divine, then wouldn't the brothers and sisters be demigods? She had one Child pass through her who was divine why not two, three or even 26; the number people call "brother" in Scripture?

    JoeT
     
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    The lineage is through Joseph. Read your Bible.
     
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    Most don't realize how the protest against the Church has evolved over the past 100 years. Once, mainline Protestants held Mary in high regard, nearly as much as the Catholics.

    It has been 499 years since the advent of 'bible alone', since the 'alones' have grown to fife; in addition to bible alone, we have faith alone, God alone, grace alone, and Christ alone. Five solas which make absolutely no sense given that each claim of alone of five things individually claiming the lone authority in the rule of faith.

    JoeT
     
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    You mean other than the verses that name her sons and daughters. Okay...
     
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    Of course Jesus is human flesh and blood. No one is arguing that fact.
    I'm sorry you are struggling with this.
     
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    Have you found a verse that names her sons and daughters?

    I am still waiting...
     
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    Yep, Christ came out of Mary's private parts. I agree. He just didn't have any of Mary's corruption.
     
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    They don't care about the teachings of their progenitors. They are so far removed from the faith that much of what they believe now is barely recognizable as Christianity.
     
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    No, the others would not be demigods. They were the product of Joseph's seed and Mary's egg conceiving a corrupt human being, just like Joseph and Mary.
    You have to give up your fantasy that Mary was sinless. She even declares she needs a Savior. Sinless people don't need Savior's.
     
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