Jesus Christ was Born of Woman . . . fact or fiction?

[Particular]

Couldn't find a verse, huh?

That's what I thought . . .

[emoji23][emoji1787]
I love how your mind works.
Ironic how church dogma is your only source, yet you think the verses in scripture aren't enough to prove Mary and Joseph had kids.

 

[Particular]

WRONG.

Jesus is the heir of David.
He HAD to be of the Davidic bloodline (John 7:42,Rev. 22:16) in order to fulfill prophecy.

He is even referred to as “Son of David” (Matt. 1:1, Mark 10:48, Rom. 1:3).

Jesus calls HIMSELF the “Son of MAN” (Matt. 20:28, Matt. 9:6, Mark 8:38, Luke 18:8).

YOUR nonsense that He wasn’t a human being from the bloodline of David is flat-out heresy.

Of course he is. He's heir through....Joseph.
Hmmm...let that sink in and crush your theory...

 

[Walpole]

Oh no, there is always Dr. Frankenstein!

JoeT

The FrankenLogos lives!

 

[Walpole]

[emoji23][emoji1787]
I love how your mind works.
Ironic how church dogma is your only source, yet you think the verses in scripture aren't enough to prove Mary and Joseph had kids.

Ironic that you dogmatically proclaim Mary had multiple subsequent maternities without posting one verse of Scripture to support it.

 

[utilyan]

God could have just shown up as a human. He chose to come according to his promise and his covenant.
Do you struggle with this?

That covenant includes being under the line King David. You are the one with the struggle.

Read closely, SINCE CHILDREN SHARE IN THE FLESH AND BLOOD, HE (JESUS) partook of the SAME.

Hebrews 2

14Therefore, since the children share in flesh and blood, He Himself likewise also partook of the same, that through death He might render powerless him who had the power of death, that is, the devil,


Hebrews 2

17 For this reason He had to be made like His brothers in every way, so that He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, in order to make atonement for the sins of the people.


You are wanting a viable fetus transplanted into Mary. Not happening. It would violate the scriptures. The old testament is clear with the lineage to David.

 

[Walpole]

Again, how? We agree that, ". . . Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: . . ." -- 2 Peter 3:6. Do we not?

Ok, how does that make the immersion the anti-type of Noah and family save through water of the flood? (Without the not mentioned ark they too would have perished with that world that was.) BTW, typically Catholics are not immersed. And babies cannot excercize a good conscience toward God. So as I am hearing your Catholic arguments here, does not make good sense.

Again, Noah and his family were saved through the water, not by the water. The water of the deluge washed away the sin of the world, thereby saving Noah and his family. Through the water, creation was made anew. (cf. Gen 9:1)

As St. Peter says, baptism is the anti-type of the waters of the deluge. The waters of baptism now cleanse not our flesh, but our sin. (cf. Acts 2:38, Acts 22:16, Titus 3:5) Hence its effect is not on our flesh (i.e. removal of dirt), but rather on our interior. Through our baptism, we are made anew. (cf. John 3:5, Romans 6:4)

As for immersion versus sprinkling, I find it an odd objection to argue about the volume of water and its application given you and the others are arguing the water is itself just a symbol. (I am happy to discuss this though if you want to move on to it.)

Personally, my understanding is the believer's immersion represents to no longer live for this world, but to live for God and His Kingdom. So you know my view.

Why do you need to go through the trouble of being baptized if that's all you are doing? Can't you just choose to no longer live for this world, but to live for God and His Kingdom without being baptized? In other words, if it is just an empty ritual, why bother?

 

[Particular]

That covenant includes being under the line King David. You are the one with the struggle.

Read closely, SINCE CHILDREN SHARE IN THE FLESH AND BLOOD, HE (JESUS) partook of the SAME.

Hebrews 2

14Therefore, since the children share in flesh and blood, He Himself likewise also partook of the same, that through death He might render powerless him who had the power of death, that is, the devil,


Hebrews 2

17 For this reason He had to be made like His brothers in every way, so that He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, in order to make atonement for the sins of the people.


You are wanting a viable fetus transplanted into Mary. Not happening. It would violate the scriptures. The old testament is clear with the lineage to David.

You're saying God couldn't make himself in human form without Mary's egg. My how you limit God.
Second, the lineage to Kingship is through Joseph. Think about it...

 

[JoeT]

God could have just shown up as a human. He chose to come according to his promise and his covenant.
Do you struggle with this?

Docetism - Christ was born of woman remember?

JoeT

 

[MarysSon]

Of course he is. He's heir through....Joseph.
Hmmm...let that sink in and crush your theory...

WRONG again.

Joseph was His STEPfather – not His blood relative.

Besides – according to traditional Jewish law (halacha), Jewishness is passed down through the MOTHER. So, if your mother was Jewish, YOU are too.

From Who Is a Jew: Matrilineal Descent | My Jewish Learning

Jesus got His Davidic bloodline from His MOTHER Mary.

Do your HOMEWORK . . .

 

[Walpole]

Docetism - Christ was born of woman remember?

JoeT

We are seeing in real time how the Church's Marian dogmas safeguard orthodox Chrstology and Trinitarian theology. All in the name of rejecting the Mother of God, some Protestant posters are willing to throw out the basic tenets of the Christian faith, rejecting the hypostatic union and instead insisting Christ merely used Mary as a teleporter, passing through her like water passing through a pipe.

It's astonishing to see.

 

[MarysSon]

We are seeing in real time how the Church's Marian dogmas safeguard orthodox Chrstology and Trinitarian theology. All in the name of rejecting the Mother of God, some Protestant posters are willing to throw out the basic tenets of the Christian faith, rejecting the hypostatic union and instead insisting Christ merely used Mary as a teleporter, passing through her like water passing through a pipe.

It's astonishing to see.

It's pathetic, really.

 

[JoeT]

The context clearly shows they are Jesus brothers and sisters, just as Mary is mother and Joseph is father.
Now, I'm waiting for the argument that Joseph was a polygamist with another wife from which the other kids were produced. Care to go there?

If Mary bore one Son that was Divine, then wouldn't the brothers and sisters be demigods? She had one Child pass through her who was divine why not two, three or even 26; the number people call "brother" in Scripture?

JoeT

 

[Particular]

WRONG again.

Joseph was His STEPfather – not His blood relative.

Besides – according to traditional Jewish law (halacha), Jewishness is passed down through the MOTHER. So, if your mother was Jewish, YOU are too.

From Who Is a Jew: Matrilineal Descent | My Jewish Learning

Jesus got His Davidic bloodline from His MOTHER Mary.

Do your HOMEWORK . . .

The lineage is through Joseph. Read your Bible.

 

[JoeT]

We are seeing in real time how the Church's Marian dogmas safeguard orthodox Chrstology and Trinitarian theology. All in the name of rejecting the Mother of God, some Protestant posters are willing to throw out the basic tenets of the Christian faith, rejecting the hypostatic union and instead insisting Christ merely used Mary as a teleporter, passing through her like water passing through a pipe.

It's astonishing to see.

Most don't realize how the protest against the Church has evolved over the past 100 years. Once, mainline Protestants held Mary in high regard, nearly as much as the Catholics.

It has been 499 years since the advent of 'bible alone', since the 'alones' have grown to fife; in addition to bible alone, we have faith alone, God alone, grace alone, and Christ alone. Five solas which make absolutely no sense given that each claim of alone of five things individually claiming the lone authority in the rule of faith.

JoeT

 

[Particular]

Ironic that you dogmatically proclaim Mary had multiple subsequent maternities without posting one verse of Scripture to support it.

You mean other than the verses that name her sons and daughters. Okay...

 

[Particular]

That covenant includes being under the line King David. You are the one with the struggle.

Read closely, SINCE CHILDREN SHARE IN THE FLESH AND BLOOD, HE (JESUS) partook of the SAME.

Hebrews 2

14Therefore, since the children share in flesh and blood, He Himself likewise also partook of the same, that through death He might render powerless him who had the power of death, that is, the devil,


Hebrews 2

17 For this reason He had to be made like His brothers in every way, so that He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, in order to make atonement for the sins of the people.


You are wanting a viable fetus transplanted into Mary. Not happening. It would violate the scriptures. The old testament is clear with the lineage to David.

Of course Jesus is human flesh and blood. No one is arguing that fact.
I'm sorry you are struggling with this.

 

[Walpole]

You mean other than the verses that name her sons and daughters. Okay...

Have you found a verse that names her sons and daughters?

I am still waiting...

 

[Particular]

Docetism - Christ was born of woman remember?

JoeT

Yep, Christ came out of Mary's private parts. I agree. He just didn't have any of Mary's corruption.

 

[Walpole]

Most don't realize how the protest against the Church has evolved over the past 100 years. Once, mainline Protestants held Mary in high regard, nearly as much as the Catholics.

It has been 499 years since the advent of 'bible alone', since the 'alones' have grown to fife; in addition to bible alone, we have faith alone, God alone, grace alone, and Christ alone. Five solas which make absolutely no sense given that each claim of alone of five things individually claiming the lone authority in the rule of faith.

JoeT

They don't care about the teachings of their progenitors. They are so far removed from the faith that much of what they believe now is barely recognizable as Christianity.

 

[Particular]

If Mary bore one Son that was Divine, then wouldn't the brothers and sisters be demigods? She had one Child pass through her who was divine why not two, three or even 26; the number people call "brother" in Scripture?

JoeT

No, the others would not be demigods. They were the product of Joseph's seed and Mary's egg conceiving a corrupt human being, just like Joseph and Mary.
You have to give up your fantasy that Mary was sinless. She even declares she needs a Savior. Sinless people don't need Savior's.