Featured Does man have a spirit?

I made that post a long time ago emphasizing the contrast Paul made on 1 Cor. 15 (contrasting "the flesh" and "the spirit") . Adam was made flesh (which is a body and spirit and/ or soul). Christ became a "life giving Spirit" ).

I am not sure why we would seriously approve of lifting a post from an over a year old thread and inserting it here. But since I am the person targeted I can assure you that it is severely out of context here. While I do not appreciate having my words twisted to try and "trap" me into holding a view I reject, all I can do is say @Iconoclast did indeed misunderstand.

I believe Adam was created "flesh". Not just biologically but in a biblical context. A body and spirit (I believe body, spirit, and soul). When Scripture speaks of people being "flesh" or "of the flesh" it is not implying the absence of a spirit or soul.

I hope this clarifies the misunderstanding of the OP. Assumption are often false. I'm just glad I noticed this one so I could provide clarity.

 

I disagree. I see the soul as "person" (as who we are), spirit as nature (flesh vs spirit) and body as a bit overweight and declining at an alarming rate.

 

The spirit is always there. When I say God gives us a new spirit I don't mean there is a time we are absent a spirit. We always have a soul and a spirit but God changes our spirit (my understanding).

The idea about man not having a spirit was @Iconoclast 's misunderstanding of a post on a thread a little over a year ago. That's the issue with misunderstandings. If they are not caught they grow into disputes.

As far as I know no one has claimed that there is a time man does not have a spirit.

I believe man has a body, a soul, and a spirit. The body will die. Christians will be given a new spirit. The soul (IMHO), remains. The soul, IMHO, is who we are (we are given new spirits or natures but we are still the same people who are crucified with Christ).

 

I know some people take issue with my belief that Adam did not experience the indwelling of the Spirit. But many people agree.

My belief is this occurred after the Cross (when Christ "became a life giving Spirit). You may disagree, and that is fair. But yours is the only orthodox view.

What I suggest, @Iconoclast, is that you may want to ask more questions and listen to the responses others may make than form conclusions and make assertions of other people's beliefs.

In this case you could have just asked me if I meant Adam did not have a spirit. I would have explained that I believe Adam was created with a human body, a human spirit, and a human soul. We could have discussed our differences from there.

I am sure you did not intend to misrepresent my words, but it could have easily been avoided.

 

The Biblicist's stand was that the state of death means one was previously alive. It was a very weak assumption. He was wrong (when James spoke of dead faith he was not implying this people once had alive faith).

Again, I stand by my words. But at the same time I know you did not grasp what I was posting. I was referring to "flesh" and "spirit" on biblical terms (not a "lump of flesh" without a spirit).

Ignorance is not a crime, especially when examining other people's view. I did not realize you failed to understand what I had posted or I would have clarified (I thought we were all familiar with 1 Corinthians and terms like "spirit" and "flesh").

Just slow down, don't get emotional about doctrine, and clarify instead of jumping to the wrong conclusions. Many of these false assumptions could have been prevented by simply seeking clarification before jumping to conclusions.

 

No. That is dishonest.

First, only a fool would argue someone holds a view they flatly reject.

It is dishonest because I have told you what I believe. You, and anyone else, does not have a right to decide otherwise.

You can argue that I expressed myself poorly. You can argue against my view (here it is that Adam was created flesh... With a body, soul, and spirit centered on the flesh and not the Spirit).

But when you project onto me a belief I do not hold you make yourself a liar. Someone once said this is the same intent as murder and requires repentance. I don't know about all of that. But I do know it is wrong and dishonest.

That is what I have been telling you for years. You read something and draw conclusions that are not always correct. But you cannot accept you misunderstood even when the other person explains their words and their beliefs.

 

Before deciding what you want someone to believe you need to ask them to clarify what they believe. This will help prevent confusion and false assumptions.

God gave you two eyes, two ears, and one mouth.

How many times did I say that God created Adam flesh - a human body, a human spirit and a human soul?????

But you just keep on.

 

Warning - if this thread cannot coninue in an honest manner (without falsely attributing to members beliefs they have rejected) this thread will be closed.

This childishness stops now.

The topic of the thread is whether or not man has a spirit. Thus far everyone believes so, but some hold to a tripartite view while others a bipartite view.

 

Yes. The original question is

I have always affirmed man as having a spirit. In the Bible "flesh" includes a human spirit. I believe man is body, soul, and spirit.

I am not familiar with those you speak of who believe man does not have a spirit. I cannot contribute to that.

Any more is off topic (and has recently been discussed on an appropriate thread).

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It is a good starter. I have already discussed my views (I finished yesterday on a thread which is still open). I encourage those who have not to consider your questions.